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What Rockets fans can look forwad to in the 2008-09 season

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by tigereye, Feb 25, 2007.

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Jeff said:

I love Houstonian reactions.

Parking will suck.
I hate those restaurants.
That's stupid.

Gotta love the optimisim.
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Exactly.

Houston has a loooong way to go to matching some of the other world-class urban centers that the US has to offer... and with every small step they try to make towards that goal (whether it be with rail, stadiums, or mixed-use developments)... there will always be the attitude of "that seems like it will cause too many headaches... better off without it."

Plenty of other cities with larger urban populations pack more content into much smaller spaces than Houston does.

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Finally! Houston is crappy looking compared to every other major city

#22 Nice Rollin, Feb 25, 2007
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And one more thing......the developer, EDG, has only built one other project like it.

If you've ever been to Denver, Colorado, there's a good chance you might have visited Denver Pavilions on the 16th Street Mall.

The concept is virtually the same, the scope and size of the project in Houston is much larger....ahem, Texas-Sized shall I say?
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Pics of Denver Pavilions, the other project EDG has built....

#23 tigereye, Feb 25, 2007
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A parking garage is also being built as part of this massive $200 million dollar developement.

As for the traffic.....well, c'mon, this is Houston, traffic is nothing new for any of us.
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Looks hot, leave the good car at home(fill in blank...infiniti, lex, bmw, mercedes) and bring the beater.....old pathfinder or honda accord....park it ANYWHERE....let the dingers go crazy and enjoy the game.

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I would love to have a Niketown .

#25 blu_monkey, Feb 25, 2007
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Man that is awesome. I like how downtown is shaping up.

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looks futuristic to me!

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Damn that's awesome, remind me to visit Houston once in my lifetime..

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I liked the summit better. Can't beat free parking.

#29 Air Langhi, Feb 25, 2007
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Nick said:

Whenever there's an awesome project of infrastructure in the city of houston, whether it be a mall, stadium, or rail... there's always somebody to b**** about something.

Traffic? Parking? Seriously... would you rather downtown be a series of parking lots? I still remember the uproar when MMP was first built, and how all these "diehard" astro fans would give up their season tickets due to the lack of a huge parking lot like the dome had. (little did they know that parking downtown for a baseball game is FAR easier than it was at the dome... and the dome didn't have 40,000 people going to every game).

The fact remains that there are plenty of other cities with far more advanced urban areas than Houston does... and they all find ways to deal with the apparent lack of parking or increased difficulty in driving. (even though this is a small 3 block area of development, and there are still several other parking options IN ADDITION to the freaking huge garage attached to this project).
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I live in Los Angeles and when there is a Lakers game or Clippers game, it will take usually 2 1/2 - 3 hours to get through Downtown and its the only way to get to freeways like the 60, 5, etc and thats usually only a 30 minutes drive... So those that are b****ing, will come out then and say "I told you so...."

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I've been looking into this project ever since they announced it. It seems nice for that area, but understand its only a 200 million, 700,000 square feet project. It's definitely going to revive that part of downtown, but I'm not sure if it will affect me much at this point. Here are some more tenants. Like you said, we'll see the entire list on Tuesday!

HOUSE OF BLUES
UNITED ARTIST 20-30 SCREENS
LUCKY STRIKE
COYOTE UGLY
HARD ROCK CAFE
YAO'S
MAGGIANO'S LITTLE ITALY
CORNER BAKERY
MCCORMICK & SCHMICKS
LAWRY'S PRIME RIB
VIRGIN MEGA STORE
BARNES AND NOBLE
BANNANA REPUBLIC
GAP/BABY GAP
ANN TAYLOR
EXPRESS
VICTORIA'S SECRET
NIKETOWN
FOREVER 21
BRIGHTON COLLECTABLES
BCBG

That takes care of all 4 corners. I like it.

Tigereye, you said this project mirrors Victory Plaza in Dallas. That's true to some extent but overall they are in two different classes. First off, Victory Park, where the AAC is located, is not even in downtown. It's a full build out ~a 3 billion dollar project consisting of 75 acres. Those numbers can't compete with the Pavilions. It has the W Hotel, the Mandarin Oriental, the Azure, and the Terrace. 4,000 residents will be living at Victory. The shops and restaurants aren't trite either. Restaurants include Craft, N9NE Steakhouse, Ghost Bar, Nove, Kenichi, Luna De Noche, and Victory Tavern. There's also the House of Blues, B. Whitman Shoes, LFT, Adriano Goldschmied, J. Lindeberg, Global, G-Star, Future Sports, and Quicksilver. Seriously, I have no idea what these shops or restaurants are. And that's what it ultimately comes down to. Anyone can go to a Barnes and Noble, Gap, or Virgin anytime. Just because it looks cool doesn't justify going all the way to downtown to shop there, does it?

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This is the model of the project...this from the Main St. Entrence

The Rendering of the Main Entry at Main St.

The Model of the Toyota Center entry

Again form the Toyota Center end of the project

The rendering of the entry across the street from Toyota Center. Yao's, as well as HOB (as you can clearly see) will be on this end

One of two circular skywalks over streets. These two circular skywalks are modeled after the circular skywalk found at the former Enron Complex. The Enron circular skywalk was the world's first ever circular skywalk constructed. Now with Pavilions, Houston will have 3 of them!

#32 tigereye, Feb 25, 2007
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I liked the summit better. Can't beat free parking.
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Parking at the Summit was always built into the price of the ticket... thus it was never "free", and often times, you your parking space yielded a much further walk than what you can get downtown.

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The thing I like the most about this project is that it provides something within actual walking distance to the stadiums... and the development goes all the way to main street (which is the current closest proximity of any decent restaraunts/bars before games).

Thus, I have no problem parking around main street... walking thru the pavillions before a game... and walking back through afterwards.

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I've been looking into this project ever since they announced it. It seems nice for that area, but understand its only a 200 million, 700,000 square feet project. It's definitely going to revive that part of downtown, but I'm not sure if it will affect me much at this point. Here are some more tenants. Like you said, we'll see the entire list on Tuesday!

HOUSE OF BLUES
UNITED ARTIST 20-30 SCREENS
LUCKY STRIKE
COYOTE UGLY
HARD ROCK CAFE
YAO'S
MAGGIANO'S LITTLE ITALY
CORNER BAKERY
MCCORMICK & SCHMICKS
LAWRY'S PRIME RIB
VIRGIN MEGA STORE
BARNES AND NOBLE
BANNANA REPUBLIC
GAP/BABY GAP
ANN TAYLOR
EXPRESS
VICTORIA'S SECRET
NIKETOWN
FOREVER 21
BRIGHTON COLLECTABLES
BCBG

That takes care of all 4 corners. I like it.

Tigereye, you said this project mirrors Victory Plaza in Dallas. That's true to some extent but overall they are in two different classes. First off, Victory Park, where the AAC is located, is not even in downtown. It's a full build out ~a 3 billion dollar project consisting of 75 acres. Those numbers can't compete with the Pavilions. It has the W Hotel, the Mandarin Oriental, the Azure, and the Terrace. 4,000 residents will be living at Victory. The shops and restaurants aren't trite either. Restaurants include Craft, N9NE Steakhouse, Ghost Bar, Nove, Kenichi, Luna De Noche, and Victory Tavern. There's also the House of Blues, B. Whitman Shoes, LFT, Adriano Goldschmied, J. Lindeberg, Global, G-Star, Future Sports, and Quicksilver. Seriously, I have no idea what these shops or restaurants are. And that's what it ultimately comes down to. Anyone can go to a Barnes and Noble, Gap, or Virgin anytime. Just because it looks cool doesn't justify going all the way to downtown to shop there, does it?
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I agree that this project is in a different class from Victory Park/AAC in that its a master planned mixed use development. If you think about it carefully, we in Houston already know what that is. The Rockets former home, the Summit, was part of a mixed-use development we now know as the Greenway Plaza complex, executed by developer Kenneth Schnitzer. Victory Park is a modern 21st century version of this idea, just with more of an urban feel and more entertainment options, whereas Greenway Plaza has the look and feel of a sterile surburban office park with tunnels and skybrindges and a total void on the entertainment end of things.

Houston Pavillions is a mixed-use development that caters to the urban streetscape like Victory, but is on a smaller scale then Victory Park, hence why I say they mirror each other. Both will be success in there respective city's, but there after-effects will be different. Victory Park will take people away from downtown Dallas whereas Houston Pavilions will bring people to downtown Houston. In the end, just that fact alone says Houston Pavilions, despite being the smaller and lesser expensive project of the two projects, will probabaly have the bigger effect on its perspective home city in the long run. What a project like Pavillions could spark for downtown development is just mindblowing. And keep in mind....Im not a Houstonian, Im what you people dwon here call a "howty-towty Yankee." (got that from Sweet Home Alabama)

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sweet, we're getting a niketown?!?! that is awesome!

i sure hope we get an espnzone as well.

this is really exciting. hopefully i'll still be working in houston by the time this project is completed so i can experience it.

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this is nice, too bad I'll probably be somewhere away in college...

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im a freshman in HS so ill be able to see it open.

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Damnit! By then I'd be all graduated and most likely moved away! That royally sucks, so basically I get the construction traffic and leave when it's all done.

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Damnit! By then I'd be all graduated and most likely moved away! That royally sucks, so basically I get the construction traffic and leave when it's all done.
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flunking is an option...

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