http://bbs.clutchfans.net/showthread.php?p=8333366#post8333366 Hordord is their center piece going forwards, and he specifically said he'd been asking for Hawks to acquire a bonafide center for years. He also named Asik and tired of playing 5.
That should tell you what? That the team is trying to win? Generally teams try to use players in situations where they can succeed.
I think we should go after Jonas Jerebko ... very underrated, heck we could probably give up greg smith for him..
I think that guy who posted that nonsense, claiming to work for the organization and with the inside scoop, is likely full of ****. Also, while Portland obviously is not interested in trading Aldridge for an Asik-centered package, this does not mean Portland is not interested in trading other pieces for Asik.
we need a cerebral PF..one who can see the see the floor, give passes to D12 with the hi-lo play and can give offense if needed..
Before you dismiss him as nonsense, you should read his whole post. He was spot on with our Xmas uni, which was revealed only a couple of days ago. http://bbs.clutchfans.net/showthread.php?t=246509 There is Black and Silver trimming on the neckline but not sleeves.
Maybe he had some information about uniforms but I doubt he has access to substantive trade talks. I cannot believe Morey, who is all about a) advanced stats and b) acquiring undervalued players, is at all interested in acquiring Aldridge.
Morey already said Avoiding long 2s a bit overplayed, mid-range shots can be efficient We just don't know the players YOU overvalued are also overvalued by Morey. This is purely objective on your part.
Why would Houston be interested in trading Asik for Portland's pieces outside Aldridge? We're not in a hurry to get rid of Asik, the discussion's about acquiring a good PF. If they still had Hickson, I'd consider it, but it's not like they're more willing to part with Batum/Lillard, so there's nothing we'd wanna flip Asik for. Actually, I'm not sure if LMA will be a pipe dream for much longer. He enters the last year of his contract this summer. If Portland stagnate, he could force them to trade him out of fear of losing him for nothing when he enters unrestricted free agency. It's a similar scenario to the Harden trade, except much more plausible if you throw Asik in there. Am I getting something wrong here? It's a homer scenario, but it's not exactly impossible.
Last year: Ersan Ilyasova 13.2 ppg on 11.0 shots, 44% three's on 2.9 attempts, 7.1 reb 1.6 ast 0.5 blk 0.9 stl 1.0 TO 27.6 min Danilo Gallinari 16.2 ppg on 12.3 shots, 37% three's on 5.1 attempts, 5.2 reb 2.5 ast 0.5 blk 0.9 stl 1.6 TO 32.5 min Ersan Ilyasova 26 yrs old, $7.9 million salary Danilo Gallinari 25 yrs old, $10.1 million salary Gallinari is more talented, and a proven scorer on a 57-win team. He should be available since Denver will be in a major rebuild and JaVale McGee broke his leg. Paul Millsap is a better player but not as good a fit. Thad Young and others are not good fits. LMA and Love will likely be shipped to Eastern Conference. Their GMs are not as dumb as the OKC Thunder GM.
Why will Denver be "in a major rebuild?" Their core guys are young and reasonably priced. I think they'll try to get something for Andre Miller and maybe Wilson Chandler but otherwise they should stand pat. LMA and Love, if traded, will get shipped to the highest bidder. Teams make trades with teams in the same conference, even the same division, on a regular basis. The numbers for Ilyasova and Gallinari are close, yet Ilyasova makes less money. Shouldn't this make him the more desirable player? Lebron James @$1 mil/year > Lebron James @$5 mil/year > Lebron James @ $10 mil/year, etc.
Ilyasova has always been my realistic goal... In that he is like a lesser Kevin Love style player that seems like the right fit. Morey is probably angling for something "bigger"... A true Big 3... But I think that ship has sailed a bit. That third player would have to come from a forward position... And who else is available?? Ersan's numbers don't scream out Big third... But you look deeper and see he's been criminally underplayed (27 mpg) for some reason, his per 36 stats are great, he's a great rebounder and fantastic 3 point shooter. And he's at least an above average defender... Though admittedly not stand out there. Short of Love - who either isn't available or won't be for the Rockets offer - Ersan seems like a great great option. Maybe the Bucks need a three? I don't think you trade Parsons for him but for a three team trade find a team that needs a center and is heavy on SFs? If the Bulls really wanted Asik back maybe they'd finally move aren't for him. Asik plus filler to Chicago, Deng to Milwaukee, Ilyasova to Houston??
Gallinari averaged 16.2 ppg on a 57-win team. Ilyasova was expected to have a breakout year last year after signing a big contract. Yet he could only produce 13.2 ppg on an average Eastern conference team where he was only the 3rd or 4th best player on the team. Gallinari is a talented high draft pick who can create on offense and averaged as high as 7.2 FT-A per game. Ilyasova is more of a roleplaying catch-and-shoot guy. If the 76ers can trade 23 yr old Jrue Holiday for a better shot at Andrew Wiggins, you can bet Denver is thinking about it with their slow start and JaVale McGee injured.
Paul Milsap is a great fit........on paper. Our best lineups and Dwight Howard's best teams all have a stretch four. Millsap can hit an occasional three. But if he's camping at the three point line, he won't be very useful. If he's inside the three point line, he'll make guys like Lin and Parsons less effective. Regardless, a bigger reason Millsap is not a great fit is that he'll be 29 years old in three months. He has Elton Brand height. Brand became a shell of himself after he lost his hops.
I'm surprised that Cousins has been mentioned more than once... The problem with the guy isn't that he's a nutcase. The problem is that he's horrible at X's and O's, particularly on defense. He has to have one of the lowest basketball IQ's in the game. If you guys think we're having trouble on defense now, wait until you try to get Boogie to switch on his man after a basic screen. He's painfully slow on the uptake and will be out of position constantly.
IMO Ilyasova is the guy you trade for and still keep Asik. Should have done the sign and trade for Josh Smith in the offseason. You know it was on the table.
Gross. The prototypical 4 for this team is somebody with great range that can draw out defenses from the paint, allowing D-Howard to do his damage down low without getting double-teamed. Also, it allows for Harden & the other guards to penetrate the lane without having to worry about another big guy (and his defender) clogging up the lane. Josh Smith is not that kind of player. Ersan Ilyasova? Yes. LMA, K-Love, Ryan Anderson, Jeff Green? Yep. Those are the kinds of players that fit the bill.
In terms of a strait up Asik trade Millsap is pretty much the only reasonable candidate. The Bucks would want Lin a lot more than Asik given their roster set. They have bigs but their PG situation is a risky at best, they need a good creator on offense. Aldridge trade would only happen if a lot of things lineup, it could, but I doubt it. Funny thing is Bucks / Blazers would lineup in a 3 way most reasonably, but a lot of things need to happen. Overall though, I'd say stay course and try to see this run a month at least, I see some plays they're trying that should work providing that guys hit open shots, which they aren't so far. and when you miss open shots everything will look bad. Since Toronto is in town we could look at Amir Johnson, he's something of a +/- god and would be really fun to have, the trade would not be for Asik strait up though, Jones + Dmo + Brewer money would match enough. then you run a 3 big rotation of Dwight / Amir / Asik with Smith being the emergency big .
If Millsap had the hops, strength, or huge length as Elton Brand, he would never be drafted so low. You just can't compare Millsap, who was drafted in the second round to Brand, who was #1 overall. Millsap will fit in with just about ANY team because he does EVERYTHING well. Players with limited dimensions are ones you have to worry about fitting in. in NBA, 28-year old is considered prime! You can't trade for Illyasova without involving Asik or Lin. The salary won't match. Atlanta wasn't interested in sign and trade for Smoove because they cleared cap and was shooting for BOTH CP3 and DH12. Hawks were the ONLY team had cap space to sign both. Just in case you missed it, Morey was interested in Josh Smith and actually talked to him during FA.
