What player would need to be available for DM to trade up?

With his ability to pass and dribble the basketball there's no question he'll be a versatile PF-C. Monroe on the Pick and Roll and passing out of the high post is $ in the bank.

 

What do you think would be sufficient enough to get Memphis to give us the #12 pick. It is rumored that they have financial needs. So i would try Jermaine Taylor + cash(as i mentioned in another post), but do you all think that would be enough?

 

I trust Morey, I would not give up any rotational player to move up, only
Battier, Jefferies, Anderson, Hayes, Taylor.+ picks

WE MUST KEEP OUR DEVELOPING YOUNG CORE!!

 

If you desire to win a championship and see a future franchise player available I think giving up a marginal player would be a good move.

 

I think it's possible that Morey will move up just far enough to draft Whiteside. I'd be stunned if we moved into the top six, but that's what makes draft night so much fun. You never know what's going to happen.

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monroe

 

I'm surprised I haven't seen this mentioned yet, but it's very possible that Morey wants to move up higher in the draft simply to pull a trade off. While Morey is known for finding decent value in lower draft picks, he is even more known for collecting "assets" to facilitate trades.

You could imagine a team like Toronto desperately wanting to get into the top 6. Having Bosh as a trade piece for these specific top 5 or 6 teams is kind of like having a $100 bill that no one has change for. Ya, you could just let them keep the extra change, but wouldn't it be great if someone could facilitate you getting close to full value in return?

 

3 way trade I think Morey should get involved with.(and possibly already is)

2 rumors Ive heard, wolves want picks,get rid of jefferson: Warriors want wolves #4,get rid of randolph,budinger(california ties) : Rockets want Randolph,a backup center and upgrade pf


heres what Ive come up with tonight.

warriors trade: anthony randolph,6th pick,
warriors recieve: wolves 4th pick,budinger,ariza,trade excemptions,jared jeffries

wolves trade: jefferson,4th pick
wolves recieve: warriors 6th pick, rockets 14th, knicks 2012,jordan hill,battier

rockets trade: 14th pick,knicks 2012,budinger,hill,ariza,battier,jeffries
rockets receive: anthony randolph,al jefferson

seems all three teams get what they want

rockets small lineup:brooks,martin,randolph,scola,jefferson
rockets big lineup: brooks,martin,randolph,jefferson,ming

 

I'd have to disagree.

I don't think it would be smart on the Rockets part to go into the draft merely to collect an asset for a possible future trade. Their mentality going into the draft should be to make the moves that best improves the team -- not the one that gives us the most attractive trade package.

Chris Bosh will decide where he wants to go. Then Toronto will try to get some value back from that team. I think it's highly unlikely Toronto is given any leeway as far as picking the team Bosh goes to -- therefore it seems silly to me to trade our assets simply to upgrade our package for Toronto.

We should be drafting a player under the assumption that Chris Bosh will not be a Rocket. If you're unable to acquire a superstar through free agency, you have to do it through the draft. I see this as the reason for moving up in the lottery -- Morey has pegged a guy he thinks will be a franchise player and wants to move up to get him.

The last guy in the lottery we tried to move up for was Brandon Roy. It'll be interesting to see who the Rockets target is as this unfolds.

 

Monroe has the size, but that's not what makes him a C. A lot of the big-and-tall types coming out of college don't have what it takes to become centers in the league because they spend too much time infatuated with their face-up game. In doing so they become crappy KG-Amare hybrids that have little use in the NBA beyond as a SF-PF until they can improve their outside shooting and face-up skills in the post.

Monroe on the other hand is about as traditional a back-to-the-basket big as you'll get, PLUS he's great at passing the ball. That's the definition of a center. It's not about size, it's more about how much the player has refined his post-up skill set because anyone can try to imitate LeBron or KG or Amare, but even Dwight with all his ability cannot reproduce the skills of Shaq, Duncan, Yao, or any of the dinosaurs known as "true centers". I think Monroe is a true center.

 

I could see Morey trading back and picking up Paul George plus another pick. That would seem like a Morey move to me.

Then again, who the f knows.

 

Then Yetti, you can forget about moving up in the top tier of draft.

 

Very good post.

 

I think we still agree. I don't see Morey moving up in hopes of pulling off a trade - he'll only do it if he has something in place. The guy didn't get his reputation by taking high risk gambles. Anyway, my point being, this thread was short on trade ideas considering Morey is such a savvy GM. When I first heard we were in the mix to move up, my initial thought was Morey wants teams to know we are in the mix and hopefully open a dialogue around those high picks around the league so he can establish a value among fellow GMs and determine if there is room to exploit that value. It seems Houston has been very good at putting their name out there recently when the real move was something completely different - remember what a surprise Kevin Martin's acquisition was considering all the other trade proposals Houston's name was floated in?

 

So you're guessing the Wolves' interest in Randolph is for us to acquire him through a 3-way? I think the ESPN report indicates Minnesota's actual interest in Randolph. Although they'd be stuck trying to keep him when he's due for contract negotiations. Speaking as a formerly-transplanted Texan in the Midwest, I don't know if the Dallas kid is gonna go for it, but money always talks.

Remember, the Golden State-Houston thing was likely bogus, although you can bet the teams have spoken.

Send Randolph to Minnesota and the #6 to Houston.

 

Hakeem Olajuwon.

DD

 

Irrelevant nonsense.

Needlessly signed.

 

There are no future franchise players other than Wall....the rest are just as big of a gamble as the guys on our roster now.

You have as much chance of getting a complete bust as getting a good player....

Let Hill, Brooks and Budinger grow into what they will become...over taking a shot at someone that MIGHT eventually be a good NBA player.

DD

 

Hardly. This is an extremely deep draft class -- it seems stupid to me to make a bold statement saying there will be no franchise players other than Wall. The truth is you have no idea, as you admitted in the very next sentence. You're qualifications consist of arm-chair watching some tournament games and reading some scouting reports from 3rd party sites -- if we're trying to move up in the draft, obviously Morey's own scouts have targeted a player not named Wall that would be worth it to trade for.

Nobody thought Brandon Roy was a franchise player. Very few believed in Brandon Jennings. Darren Collison was an afterthought. And the list goes on -- every draft is filled with guys who can lead your team. The trick is figuring out which ones can and being in the position to draft those guys. You're love for the Rockets sometimes causes you to put on the colored glasses and overrate our own players -- there are several players in this draft worth moving up for (Favors, Cousins, WJohnson, Turner, Monroe, etc.).

Morey's not allowed to have anything in place.. he's not even allowed to talk to Chris Bosh until after the draft. That's why I see us targeting someone we feel can be a superstar in case we strike out in free agency.

I don't think Morey is the master of deception, as some believe. I think he just does his homework and has several options to choose from. Morey has been linked to Artest, Martin, Brandon Roy, Rudy Fernandez, Rubio, Courtney Lee and Amare Stoudamire -- those are all guys that have been on the Rockets radar at some point. As we know, he was eventually able to deal for both Martin and Artest -- but I don't think it was a surprise, those players have long been on the radar. I don't think any of those players were a smokescreen for another move -- I genuinely believe Morey wanted each and every single one of those guys. Sometimes you just don't get the guy you want -- but Battier and Brooks were pretty good Plan B's. Perhaps trading up in the draft is the Chris Bosh Plan B.

 

Sounds good to me :grin: