What makes Steve Francis better than Cuttino Mobley?

that was a good question. I think cat is a much better shooting guard than steve is a point guard.

 

that's like comparing apples to oranges..

 

OTOH, one could say, if we had to lose a player to gain a player, would one rather lose someone really good at one position or someone who is so so at another position? Not so simple but ... PHX drops its second and third or fourth best players for cap space.

 

Basically Cat's floor game has turned the corner and he has become a dependable and consistent veteran. Steve's floor game has not. I think that it can be attributed to Steve second guessing himself on the court, by thinking more it has impaired his strengths which were to not think but just do.

 

The only comment I'll add is that aside from one meeting this year, Cuttino has always been burned by Kobe...he must have one of his highest averages against us. They did a better job this year so far though.

 

The Suns have obviously decided to rebuild. Again, apples and oranges.

 

Everyone wants to say they are rebuilding and we want their crap - Ward? I don't...

 

I am a cat fan, but think Francis is the better player right now.

Reasons:

1) Defenses gear more to stop Francis.
2) Francis is the better passer and better decision maker.
3) Francis is a better rebounder.
4) Based on observation, Francis makes a better precentage of open shots, but gets them at such a smaller percentage because of 1) and that he's the PG.

I think Francis is going to be an all star shooting guard in this league as soon as the Rockets acquire a point guard who can breakdown a defense or trade him. Among SGs, he'll be heralded as "unselfish" due to his "high" assist numbers. Francis's rebounding numbers should be improved at the SG since he won't be guarding the opposing teams PG.

 

Cat did a pretty good job on Kobe in Yao - Shaq I (5-21 shooting for Kobe, 29 points for Cuttino)

Good defenders will always be lit up on occaision. Jordan once dropped 40 on Sydney Moncrief!

 

Yep. Sad isn't it?

 

"May I take your order?"

I'll take a T-Mac, fries, and an extra large Coke.

 

Steve francis is better than cat becasue mobley cant get you 12 assists

 

What's so hard to understand? Cat's a better SHOOTING guard than Francis. Francis is pretending to be a PG. We'd be better off trading him for a 15 ppg SF and a solid PG like Eric Snow.

If you think Cuttino gets his points because defenses are focusing on Yao and Steve, then watch two seasons ago when Steve was out and Cuttino was scoring 20+ a game. He can create his own shot against just about anyone in the league except Ron Artest.

Steve is not a better shooter than Cuttino.

You're not going to get anything of better value in a trade with Cat, but you would with Steve. He has greater trade value.

Francis is a horrible decision maker. Cuttino is a SHOOTING guard. He's not here to get assists. And he STILL can pass just as well as Steve.

Rebounds...who cares? That's our frontcourt's job. If Yao had an even remotely strong core, he'd get double digit rebounds along with Cato.

Francis replacing Cuttino as SG would be a defensive liability, no change or dropoff in scoring efficiency, a worse 3 point shooter, etc.

There's no reason to trade Cuttino and move Steve to SG. Either Steve needs to become a POINT guard, or we should trade him and get a solid, unspectacular point guard and good-very good small forward like Matt Harpring. Hmm...Steve for Harpring and ...

People are in love with Steve because of his hype. He has a huge vertical (not like Cat doesn't) and had some highlights his rookie year. He's been overhyped since 1 unspectacular year at Maryland. He's a good player, but is overvalued. He should be as good as Stephon or Davis (comparable style of players), but is nowhere near with respect to passing, ballhandling, or being a leader at the end of games.

By the way, I also like Steve and don't want him to be traded either. I'd like the fans to be patient and hopefully JVG can finally hammer into to Steve that he's a PG first, shooter second.

 

I've said it once..I've said it a MILLION times..and yes, I've been saying this for the last couple of years..

That it woudn't be long before people realize that Cuttino Mobley was an absolute-certified--bonified STEAL for us. That dude has improved year in and year out and things like that can't be argued..ITS SHOWING, PEOPLE. The people who had NOTHING better to do than to diss Cuttino Mobley are starting to bite their tongues because its not HIP anymore..its STUPID. He's damn good and EVERY-BODY knows it! I could NOT be HAPPIER for that dude..because he got WAY too much ridicule and has showed he can play this game..ON BOTH ENDS OF THE COURT!!

BTW, I like Steve..but he's NOT improving--Cuttino IS. He has come from being a second round unknown to being a helluva player. YOU GO BOY!

 

Tozai,

Rebounding and involving teammates is a team responsibility even though the burden of most it falls on one position. Francis's ability in these areas compensate for the fact that Mobley is a better defender, imo. Mobley does everything you need from a shooting guard, but doesn't carry any extra responsibilities like Francis does.

Hype has nothing to do with my assessment.

 

That's true. Francis does have more responsibilities than Mobley. But, just because someone has "resposiblity" doesn't mean they are taking care of those "responsibilities."

 

You mean to tell me that Mobley never average more than 3.1 assists even when he was a point guard with the Hakeem-Barkley-Pippen era? That's kinda a surprise to me.

 

Answer: Barkley and Pippen were both very good passers for PF/SFs. They got 4.5 and 5.8 assist respectively.

Mobley was a rook SG just getting the hang of things. The offense didn't go though him just because he played PG sometimes.

Assist were accumulated by inside/outside post passing. You know? Rudy ball.

Bascially, Barkley and Hakeem in the post on ISO, and kick it out to a waiting Pippen on the 3-point line. Sigh...