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What it means to be “woke”

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by durvasa, Apr 19, 2022.

  1. tinman

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    You should see the woke Hollywood writers

    I got this idea, why don’t we remake ghostbusters
    But this time make them women

    I got this idea, why don’t we remake ghostbusters
    But this time make them trans women

    I got this idea, why don’t we make remake ghostbusters
    But this time make the marshmallow Man , a giant Oreo cookie
     
  2. DonnyMost

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    I think woke falls under the ol' "I know it when I see it" standard.

    We need a similar slang term for conservative nonsense.
     
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    "fascist fascist fascist"

    @fchowd0311
     
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    How can a monkey even be transgender?

    Anyway, I don't know who these woke people are. But I imagine that a lot of this all comes down to the idea that if you normalize minorities and LGBTQ in the media, they will be more accepted and thus less picked on.
     
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    We can have a discussion on why I think the movement you are addicted to is fascist.
     
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  6. tinman

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    You can’t normalize women who aren’t women
     
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    What’s wrong with the term “conservative nonsense”?
     
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    lmao

    idiots just talking using words they can’t even define
     
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    Woke means caring and kindness over bullying and selfishness.

    Woke = Patriotism - people first.

    DD
     
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    Not succinct/catchy.
     
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    Well put:

     
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    https://leiterreports.typepad.com/blog/2023/03/woke-explained.html

    "Woke" explained
    A very perceptive essay by Freddie deBoer, a man of the actual left:

    “Woke” or “wokeness” refers to a school of social and cultural liberalism that has become the dominant discourse in left-of-center spaces in American intellectual life. It reflects trends and fashions that emerged over time from left activist and academic spaces and became mainstream, indeed hegemonic, among American progressives in the 2010s. “Wokeness” centers “the personal is political” at the heart of all politics and treats political action as inherently a matter of personal moral hygiene - woke isn’t something you do, it’s something you are. Correspondingly all of politics can be decomposed down to the right thoughts and right utterances of enlightened people. Persuasion and compromise are contrary to this vision of moral hygiene and thus are deprecated. Correct thoughts are enforced through a system of mutual surveillance, one which takes advantage of the affordances of internet technology to surveil and then punish. Since politics is not a matter of arriving at the least-bad alternative through an adversarial process but rather a matter of understanding and inhabiting an elevated moral station, there are no crises of conscience or necessary evils.

    The whole essay has even more interesting details. For example:

    Central to woke discourse is the substitution of older and less complicated versions of socially liberal perspectives with more willfully complex academic versions. So civil rights are out, “anti-racism” is in. Community is out, intersectionality is in. Equality is out, equity is in. Homelessness is out, unhousedness is in. Sexism is out, misogyny is in. Advantage is out, privilege is in. Whenever there’s an opportunity to introduce an alternative concept that’s been wrung through academia’s weird machinery, that opportunity is taken. This has the advantage of making political engagement available only to a priestly caste that has enjoyed the benefits of elite university education; like all political movements, the woke political movement is captured by the urge to occupy elevated status within it.

    As deBoer comments near the end: "whether you think this is an accurate portrayal of the kind of politics that became dominant in progressive circles in the last 10-12 years, something happened. Something changed." This observation struck me, not only because it's right, but because it dawned on me that the fake controversy mobilized by "woke" miscreants to take down the PGR almost a decade ago coincided almost exactly with this degradation of political discourse--as did the rise of "safe space" philosophy blogs and other developments in academic philosophy. Philosophy, as ever, is also a creature of its times.

    Posted by Brian Leiter on March 17, 2023 at 08:09 AM in Of Cultural Interest, The Academy, The New Infantilism | Permalink



     
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    Some big words there. Can you explain what he means?
     
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    This narrative of a movement that has changed academia to be so left dominant having an ounce of credibility requires one thing for said narrative to be possible:



    That the same complaints by the right werent made in the early 20th century and beyond over and over resulting in a "crying wolf" situation.


    So my question to you is could this article be written by some George Lincoln Rockwell type in the 50s and you wouldn't know any better?

    How is this narrative different than the "cultural Bolshevikism" narrative of the 20s,30s etc expressed by Nazis and Russian Tsar fanboys?

    At a certain point can you see how this can be seen as a crying wolf scenario?
     
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    “Better to be Russian than woke”
     
  18. tinman

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    @AroundTheWorld
    I know some Russians
    They are pretty nice people breh

    sorry Jeremy Lin fans don’t have diverse friends
     
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    @ROXRAN
     
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    Word salad. Let me throw in a few more. Generalizing guilt by association: once something or someone is too woke, everything in close proximity is now woke.
     
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