Bangladesh, and Indonesia, Don't hear much of the conflicts there. But the whole everywhere there is Islam there is a conflict statement is just plain Bull****. Everywhere there is christianity there are child molesting priests. Everywhere there is christianity there are abuse against women scandals, there are child p*rnography cases, rape, murder, incest, etc. You can not make such a generalized statement because one its wrong, and two its like that great phrase, Don't throw rocks at peoples homes, when you have one made of glass.
Just making it positively lear that everyone understands this: bamaslammer took those 2 quotes out of context. bamaslammer, really you should be ashamed to try something like that. Anyway, I'll explain it to you because it's the right thing to do. If someone opresses Muslims specifically, initiates war, kills women and children and takes away our rights.... You're damn freakin right there will be hell to pay, just like there would be for any other person or group of people faced with the same thing in the world. How many people were killed in the removal of Saddam Hussein? People were killed in that war, but apparently, it needed to be done. Is the United States a peaceful country? Do you think more Jews or Muslims have died in the Palestine-Israel debacle? Seriously, tell me. Unfortunately, if any killing occurs anywhere it WILL be in Israel. Why? Because regardless of what's said in the media, or what you heard on CNN, the Torah says the land belongs to the Jews and the Qura'an says that the land belongs to the Muslims. Because of this FACT, these two sides will eventually have to go to war. No one will, or should, step down, because both sides believe they deserve it over the other. I really don't see how this can be resolved by humans. It's bound for war. To the Jews, we are trying to take their rights away. To Muslims, the Jews are taking Muslim land away. Who's right? Your precious science won't be able to resolve this, and no amount of convincing will satisfy either side. I fear this will bring the end of any hope for some sort of peace. But if you're going to sit here and tell me that the Qura'an is WRONG to say defend yourself against oppression AFER you've been given NO choice, then we'll just have to disagree about that.
Indonesia..no conflicts. Adeel, I generally agree with your take on this issue but you gotta read the news more. Indonesia's been in conflict involving Muslims vs. Christians, Muslims vs. Hindus, Muslims vs. Buddhist, Muslims vs other Muslims, for years.
Note: No where in this thread does anyone mention atheist or agnostics discriminating against or oppressing anyone. We probably have our fair share of child molesters but not because our religion damns homosexuals for their natural urges. (so smug) Carry on with your conflict over who God loves more.
Further side note: You're intimating that all child molesters are homosexual when I bet that there are more heterosexual molestors.
Gene: We're angry here. We're judgemental. Ya step in, and you're gonna get hit. And what's with you athiests anyways? Too good for a god, huh? You want to dredge up passages from your Book of Nonbelief? I'm sure we can interpret them as we see fit.
Ummmm..... North Korea? Japan (World War)? There aren't that many aetheists in the world to begin with. If an aetheist molested a child, it wouldn't be as big a deal as if a Mullah or Priest mollested a child. BTW, there's no conflict, God loves all of his creations. It's like saying a parents likes one of their children more than the others.
There you go with the homosexual stuff again??? What's your agenda, Gene. You trying to cause trouble?
er, mankind...so all mankind can love one another....in a platonic way...not sexually. Far be it from me to ever point out hypocracy in religion.
Man has used religion to justify his wants. Countries/empires have done it throughout history. Sometimes "Religion" can be used as propaganda tools as well, which is a form of hipocracy.
Ok, so you're blaming certain people for using religion wrongly. Totally agree with you. Still don't see how this supports aetheist beliefs.
Religion aside...this is what I don't understand about the world and people in general. Why on earth would the solution to that problem be to blow yourself up? Here's what I would do - hop on a plain, a camel, a car, a whatever and leave. catch a ferry to some island where I can spend the rest of my days raking dirt out of the sand at some esort for $1.00/hour, feel like a rich man, not die, and live my life. Possible that they may not be able to make it out of the country safely anyway, but I'd rather die trying to do that than purposely kill myself and however many others. Even if you don't know that that solution exists, surely you know that the solution in general...to leave, does exist. Has religion is some way washed logic out of any possible thought.
Well, although I can't speak for Gene. I think it's just an observation of all the religious wars that have gone on throughout history. Just "seems" like everyone is saying, "My God loves me better than your god. Nani-na-na!"
One, extremism is bad. Two, desparation and humiliation causes hatred. Even though their "solution" isn't logical. It's just an act of desparation; although wrong. There's also a natural resentment toward the USA just because they are the lone superpower. If you exclude people from becoming accepted, they will find another avenue (an extreme one).
Here's one (in context no less): It seems to me that the teaching of Jesus was that violence begats violence and that the only rational response is passive acceptance of God's will and forgiveness because one's lot in this earthly existence is of little consequence since the following of His way will be rewarded by eternal life in heaven. So why would a Christian ever get in a war, conquer the Holy Land, bomb Al Queda, execute a murderer, burn a heretic, excommunicate a recalcitrant King etc. etc etc. Passive resistance is a profound concept but it requires absolute confidence in eternity. If Chistendom could actually defy logic and make a total leap of faith I think we would see a lot more passive martyrdom.
Hey Gene... You "get it." Very few do... It's so simple sometimes. If it wasn't for that damn "greed, anger, pride, lust, sloth, envy, gluttony, etc...all of which end up distracting us.
