I can gaurantee you one thing, This is not Islamic, and isnt in the Quran, nor is it enforced, It must be a cultural thing mistaken for a religious act. Especially since self harm is against Islam, hence drugs, suicide, etc are banned.
Wasn't pointing fingers. Just saying that Al Qaeda are not Shi3as (more than 1/3rd the Muslims nowadays), and that rules a lot of the population out. Either way, what they supposedly did is against all Muslim beliefs, regardless of sects. Gene Peterson, That stuff is great. But the youth of Iran are falling for that, again, because of oppression and nothing else. Imagine Iran, an Islamic nation, has a huge part of the population not fasting during Ramadan? Oh, on a aide note: Iranians prefer to be clean shaven, aside from the Mullahs and stuff. Whacking yourself with chains is not necessary, it's a choice. Whackign yourself is not for Muslims, but for the Shi3a sect of the Muslims.
The passage stated - "On February 10, France's lower house of parliament, the National Assembly, voted through the bill banning the wearing of conspicuous religious symbols in state schools." Conspicuous = "Attracting attention, as by being unusual or remarkable; noticeable." I'm all for free everything (speech, religion, press..whatever) and I'm all for exposing your children to the world...but I'm not for allowing them to be influenced in ways that can not be monitored by the important authority figures in their lives..namely, their parents. For example, I wouldn't want rastafarian children wearing shirt with big pictures of mar1juana leaves on their shirts at school even though I'm all for rastafarians and mar1juana.
Right, but the way they are leaning towards is mighty reminisint of the Germans and the Holocost, the whole point of that was to have a superior race that wouldn't differentiate between others... I don't understand whats wrong wiht being different. We are made that way. People realize this later on, and then also realize that they were retarted to try and make a utopian society, especially one that tries to change or eliminate a race or group of people. I mean as much as I hate the fact that kids that wear black, etc, I would be pissed off if my school passed a law saying that Gothic wear is banned, because next they would come after me for wearing a bandana, or my friends for wearing do-rags, etc... Unless you are enforcing a uniform you should leave this be, unless it interferes with a religion. I dont see anyone asking nuns to take their scarfs off, and what if a nun wanted to teach a class in a school, would she be asked to dress in the norm, of a skirt and a blouse.. ITs just a stupid law, that they will regret.
I'm wondering how many posters here have read the Qu'ran in Arabic? I've heard that the Qu'ran cannot be translated from Arabic because all of its meaning will be lost so I'm not sure how much credence I would give to some of the posters saying how much the Qu'ran extolls hatred and killing and how little it mentions love. I heard a discussion with an Islamic scholar a few years ago who said that the Qu'ran is like an ocean where people can find all sorts of fish. What he meant by this was that many have used the Qu'ran to justify all sorts of things so that while one may cite a Qu'ranic justification that doesn't necessarily mean that one's actions are in the spirit of Islam. I think similar things have been done with the Bible. I guess the only way to answer this issue is if we could imagine that if Islam never existed would there still be the same amount of terrorism? My own feeling is no because people like Osama Bin Ladin would just find some other ideology to justify their actions and recruit followers.
For a long time the Christian religion was used to justify slavery in the U.S. It's still used to justify segregation, and bigotry, but the people who follow that religion have moved on in an overwhelming majority. Yet there was a time when comprable numbers clung to those beliefs as now cling to the belief that their religion of Islam gives apporval for civilian bombings. Yet I would say that Christianity hasn't changed just people's understanding of it. I believe the same can be said for Islam. I also fully understand that an overwhelming majority of Muslims don't support terrorism.
I can read arabic, and have read the Quran plenty of times, I used to understand it too, but many years of not speaking Arabic has taken away from that. But I repeat, that many times when it mentions infidels, kill, blood, etc it is in refrence to either wars or battles that were going on, and or regarding the punishments in hell for people that do wrong. A lot of it is taken out of context. Love... what the hell is that, its just a word used to describe the feelings towards another person. There are words like support,treat well, appreciate, that are substituted for love, these words hold the same value as love in Arabic, but aren't used when translating, because the word love isnt used the same way...
You pull one verse out of the Bible, whereas I can pull scores from the Koran that talk about killing the unbeliver. And your point is? My house is upon solid rock, whereas yours is on the sand and slipping away.
Because most people want to believe that THEIR religion is prefect and was never twisted for MAN's own purpose! Dictatorships are a root cause; fosteres hatred. Those people raised in that oppression are taught extrem fundamental Islam. They bring that "extremism" with them to Europe, UK, or USA. Excecpt they might be ostrisized by western preceptions with makes them feel even less welcome than before in their home land. As far as "violent religions." All you need to do is go back to the middle-ages and you'd be forced to PICK A SIDE. Nothing but religious wars going on back then! Today, we just happen to be in a unique time...the Middle East (parts of it) happens to be still back in the "middle ages." While the world has moved on with free-markets and some form of democracy, the parts of the middle-east are still back in the 700AD.
But I'm sure you realize that many of the "SCORES" of verese you speak of have nothing to do with killing an innocent person, heck they could be saying, Do NOT kill AN INFIDEL, Especially if he is a citizen, And you just grasp that as another reason terrorist attack. And then AGAIN I REPEAT, many of those verses were during the times of war... USA freaking dropped A-bombs, and we speak of this in every history textbook, Yes it was justified and all, but if you got a non english speaking turd to pick it up, he would say that American history is based on terrorizing others who give them a scare "japan, the indians etc". But in all actuality it was done for our very own survival... I guess people have double standards, and cant get over the fact that others can and will commit the crimes that we have laid down as the base of our Country.
bammaslammer; Have you read the Qu'ran in Arabic? As I said in my earlier post its supposed to be read and Arabic and from what I've heard its not even supposed to be translated.
Right, but isn't it in the Torah though? Says that nonbelievers will go to hell? Im just wondering, because Islam teaches us to respect and go by their sayings as long as it hasn't been changed or altered.
Dictatorships are teh cause of many problems, that is why Islam does not agree with a Dictatorship, instead it preaches that a leader be chosen by select people in society(Kind of like the electoral College), sad thing is that Many people are corrupt and will consider themselves Rulers of the country, and leave the Islamic part of it to the Clerics etc. When in fact if truth be told, these clerics have more knowledge, and more undrstandig of problems, and would be better off running the countries, because they are like chosen by the people. Mohammed didnt force people to obey him, or to worship him. He never asked people to treat him like a king or any other superior leader. He wore clothes that were comparable to the poorest person in the Gulf. He wasn't exactly the oppressive "SADDAM" gimme oil or I kill you type. Infact after every conquest(in those days) he would give teh prisoners coices to leave the kingdom, convert, or teach the Muslim children their knowledge, and if the person didnt cooperate, well death. What I'm trying to get at is that Islam does not preach nor has ever preached violence. Self- Defense yes, and rightfully so. They are never to be opressed or taught fundamentalist thoughts... and the thought of killing women and children or suiciding was considered almost as bad as any other sin.
Clerics are a big problem in Iran right now, the Mullahs won't give up the power. I guess the real answer is that the pursuit of power is the big problem and that they are hiding behind the Muslim religion to get that power. OBL is just a terrorist who happens to be Muslim and is using his religion to recruit and brainwash the youth. DD
all i needed was ONE verse from the Bible to shatter your glass house preaching intolerance of other's view is not limited to the Koran or Islam but is alive and well in modern Christianity as well it is a freaking commandment that you think should be plastered on government buildings Thou shalt have no other gods before me Why is this not the same intolerant speech you condem the Koran for?
Those Clerics were not chosen by the people. Its just another synonym for Leader. Many people are hiding behind the Muslim religion to get power yes, an example, OBL. It is sad that he is using his religion to recruit and brainwash otherwise normal people. But it happens in every religion. Right here in our own backyards, Priests, who happened to be christians, used their religion to satisfy their sexual needs.
