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What is wrong with Sura?!?

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by porsche911, Jan 24, 2005.

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  1. scutmb

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    Yes, Yao always needs to earn the award to shot 14-16 a game. Other Rockets does not need because ????????? Shot Percentage wise? or because you do not like YOF, or you are YOH? Come on, give me logic?

    Ok I see.....It 's American, As long as we win, who cares? Who cares the percentage? Till the day we losing, YOH will complain it's Yao's fault, He does not dominate, so and so.... YOF will conplain it's Sura's fault because he does not pass the dump ball to Yao ......

    Sura's shot percentage with Rockets is slightly better than his carrier. If its' because T-mac and Yao got double defenders, I don't understand why Wesly shot percentage turns down.

    Both YOF and YOH like to see rockets win . Only difference is YOF actually hope Rockets win with Yao contribute , But YOH going to opposite. Majority of Fan only cares win or loss, and tired ot these nonsense arguement again and again. Hope argument about Yao's touch only stay on Basketball level.

    Ok, then we can talk. Sura does not fit well with Yao or Tmac well in long term run,because he is not good shot at 2 or 3 at open vision. He maybe come out of bench and give high energy. Not even talking about PG position, sure he is not PG at all.
     
  2. Tango

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    For those of you who can't see the it - here's the plain ROCKET truth.

    Bob Sura = 2004 Jim Jackson. JJ was a huge plus for the Rockets last year.

    TMAC and Yao are the core that THE ROCKETS are building around. We aren't going to win any championships with the current team or the play that we have now.

    THAT MEANS we BETTER be learning how the heck to maximize TMAC and Yao's touches.

    That means Bob Sura better get with the program because if not he'll end up like JJ - shipped the heck out of Houston.
     
  3. lancet

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    A simple truth! Why can't most see it is beyond me. Also, I don't think Sura lacks the ability to pass. He is not that bad. The altitude is a main problem. Sura prefers to waive Yao when Yao had good position so he can continue to dribble the ball. There is no way for Rockets to reach the next level when your starting PG plays like that!
     
  4. DavidS

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    Let the season finish before we make those claims. I'd say that JJ gave us some good three point shots. And some good post play. But he is no where close to playing at the level of intensity and heart that Sura brings.

    Besides, JJ is a 2/3 that was playing with Francis. This year it was a glut at 2/3; TMac can play both.

    PG was a weak spot. Thus, we brought in 3 guys that could play PG: Sura, Wesley, and Barry.

    JJ in 2003-2004 to this year is comparing apples to oranges. He did better with a Francis/Mobley setup. But with a strong shooting guard named Tmac. A Sura type player compliments THIS team better than JJ. Better than Nash? No. But we don't have that option.
     
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  5. DavidS

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    lancet. Do me a favor. Get on you cell phone, call up your favorite NBA team/agent. And try to get us Nash. Make a deal! I'm sure you can do it. You have the power, right?

    Do it now. Don't waste any time. Because as you know, we're struggling to win any games because Yao is not getting enough touches! :rolleyes:
     
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    I quit. Damn it, there is really no need to repeat the same issues again and again in the same or different threads. I think that it's been made clear that we cannot get a high quality PG RIGHT NOW and we have to play out with Bobby at 1. Is there any difficulty for people to understand the simple truth?:mad:
     
  7. lancet

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    DavidS, do me a favor. Call Les to fire CD/JVG right away. If I were the GM, I wouldn't have signed Charlie Ward/Strickland. Ralfer Alston, Mike James, Damon Jones, Carlos Arroyo. All last season's free agents.

    Don't get me wrong. Sura is not a bad signing. He is just not a starter PG.
     
  8. abcmemory

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    I don't care if Sura wants to pass the ball to Yao or not. But it did seem like that he doesn't like Yao very much, either as a player or person. That's a concern to me. I also don't like Yao picking somebody up every time that player falls down, esp. it's not T-mac or the player is not close to him. Yao will never have a superstar's demeanor if he keeps on doing this. That's unnerving.
     
  9. Texas Stoke

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    Great post!
     
  10. DavidS

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    I talked to them. They said they are busy.

    Plus, they wanted more money than we could offer. Next...

    Sura is a SG playing PG. And when a better PG comes along, we'll *try* and sign him. In the mean time, lets just continue our winning ways.
     
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    I can't believe CD would make such a horrible mistake, like give a former NBA star a 10-day contract to see if he had anything left. Intolerable. :rolleyes:

    Rafer Alston: 39.3% FG%, and doesn't even know if he's a good fit for the NBA the year he signs a 6 year contract.

    Mike James: barely playing starters minutes (24 mins. a game) for a pretty horrible Milwaukee team. Averaging about the same points, 3.5 fewer rebounds, and 0.8 fewer assists than Sura

    Damon Jones: Fewer assists and a lower FG% than Sura. Sub 30% 3P% shooting in January, and SVG is considering benching him.

    Carlos Arroyo: Already got dumped, with the Jazz eating half his season's salary in the form of Elden Campbell, getting nothing but a future first from the reigning NBA champs.

    Any more?
     
  12. jclee

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    I can't believe there are so many r****ds here! Sura is a point guard first! Sure he had few good games, but that doesn't mean he will have those nights everytime. get the ball inside to Yao! 9 for 14 is better than the rest of the team including Sura. Sura should put the ball in when Yao is hot. Where is the love for him.

    YOF or not, stop with the b****ing and know what the problems are on the team!
     
  13. DavidS

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    Problems? Really? Did we win? Sura will have many great games. And he'll be a part of the team just like Yao.

    Sura had a good game last night at the FT line (9-12) because he was being aggressive and driving to the basket (playing 36 minutes) and dishing out 7 assist. I'm glad he did that because he was struggling from outside. He also was defensive presure on Francis and an offensive threat as well. He kept the pressure on Francis the whole game; on BOTH ends of the court! That's what we needed last night when TMac was ABSENT.

    I repeat: TMac was not playing!

    Force a few more passes into Yao just to please YOF? A few turnovers at the crucial part of the game the momentum changes. That's all it would take. We were in control, and the game plan was to keep the pressure on Francis. We went inside when necessary. The reason we didn't change the game plan was because it WAS working! In both Orlando games we played similar tactics (except we had Tmac in the first game).

    If we would have lost and if Sura had 7 turnovers (like Francis) or scored only 4...you might have a point. But that didn't happen. So get over it. We won. As a team!
     
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  14. Rockets2K

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    keep up the good fight David.....:)

    its a shame you have to explain it over and over....

    r****ds?

    kettle

    black


    hello????

    :rolleyes:
     
  15. Davidoff

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    HELP!!! I walked into a really bad YOF thread...
     
  16. MrRolo

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    I don't think any PG we've ever had passed to Yao much... but I gues that doesn't matter at all does it, it's funner to bash Sura :rolleyes:


    Without Sura doing what he does, we'd still be chasing .500. Just like Yao he does a lot of things that don't have a statistic. he is constantly in the face of whoever is in his vascinity (sp?) causing them to try and challenge him (taking bad shot, turnover/steal, etc), and sometimes getting his opposition frustrated enough to get techs or close to it. His hustle makes up for what shortcommings he has. He knows he's not a good post entry passer so why do something he is not good at, I've seen numerous times where he DID pass up Yao but he passed to the person who gave Yao a nice pass for an easy bucket (usually Barry). Sura is our X-factor, and he is playing like one with his injury. If we were still losing then I could see how someone not passing to Yao enough would be a problem, but if we are playing winning basketball then obviously Sura not passing to Yao isn't that big of a problem as YOFs make it to be.
     
  17. Rockets2K

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    vicinity. ;)


    what you notice is true....in this system, it seems that most of the time....it isnt the PG that makes the entry pass....normally it is the wing player(2 or 3)

    that isnt cause of any inherent inability of our points to make the pass...it is how VG seems to want it done.

    Sura does the little things that you need out of your point...plus a few things that arent....but without his play...we would not be where we are now...period.
     
  18. Jeff

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    What's wrong with this thread?

    Nothing now that it is locked.
     
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