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What is wrong with Sura?!?

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by porsche911, Jan 24, 2005.

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  1. Stack24

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    The one person i wish we went after was Andre Miller. I really like this guys game.

    I really think by next year Spanoulis will be brought in and given a try in the preseason because a good PG or backup PG is what we need and Strickland is not our answer, Barrett isn't and i think that with the way Spanoulis has been playing in the euroleague that we might actually give a decent chance coming into next year.
     
  2. Chilly_Pete

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    Because he has changed teams a lot makes him not a winner? I am judging him from what I have seen since he has been with the Rockets. Since he has taken over the PG, he has stabilized the position and we are fighting for a spot in the playoffs.

    Did I say he was a long term solution at PG? I said he was better than anything else we had on the team. Stop taking one little end part of my post and running with it.
     
  3. rvpals

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    I think this is exactly what happend: Yao just naturally being nice to all teammates. He will not ever curse somebody out in the huddle for not passing him the ball. NEVER. Yao Ming will never be a Drexler, Olajuwon, Jordan that will demand the ball and get mad at his teammate because he's ignored.

    So it's important for our PG to recognize this fact of Yao's personality and pass to him even though he did not yell "Sura, give me the **** ball". A lot of times I just saw Yao waving his hand up the air, Sura goes to the other side and motion him to set a pick for him. Or Yao just put his hand down stop waving and just go set a pick at high post. Did you ever see Yao get mad or maybe even a little bit irritated? No. It's just his personality.

    To me, a good team will pass the ball when your teammate is hot or when your teammate is in a better scoring position, it's just basic fundamental basketball. It surely didn't take Tmac to scream at Yao for Yao to pass him the ball and set a pick.

    I believe Sura has been terrific for the Rockets. He just might not have the PG skill or the natural PG court sense (knows when to pass and what angle) to get it done. In that regard, Andre Barret is a better PG. Sura is a better all around player than AB.
     
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    I have seen Sura play since he was with Ward at FSU in early 90s. There is a reason the guy could not find a spot with teams like Pistons and Hawks. I like what he brought to the table for us because we have absolutely nothing at 1. But that does not change the fact that Bobby is playing out of position and there is nothing wrong in saying that a PG like Tinsley would have made a much bigger impact on THIS Rockets team than Bobby.
     
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    I think Rox is desperate to get a quality PG too. That might give Spanoulis a chance. Sura is more suited to be a defensive small forward. Great hustle and atheleticism, great energy guy. In terms of setting up his teammates, just not his thing.

    We're far from being a contender. Some good bench help and a solid PF and a good PG away. Also some consistent shooting, especially in 3 point land.
     
  6. SamFisher

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    -ugh-

    I couldn't think of a point guard less suitable for our offense:

    - can't shoot three pointers to save his life
    - atrocious on defense

    He's a decent passer and can run the floor, but otherwise he's Kenny Smith without the jumper or the jokes.
     
  7. generalthade_03

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    JCANTU you got owned by LANCET! HA, HA, HA!:)
     
  8. jcantu

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    Have you actually seen any of these guys play before? If you had, you would know that they are not compatible with you because most of them penetrate (like Sura), most of them actually shoot the ball when they are open (like Sura) and most of them do not run down the court and pass the ball to the first posted up player they see.

    Its actually pretty funny to see guys like Jason Terry, Jason Williams, Bobby Jackson, Chucky Atkins, etc.... on the list. If you consider these guys pass first point guards, then you have no idea what are you talking about.
     
  9. SamFisher

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    To take one misplaced example, Brevin Knight is shooting .000 from 3point land this year and is a career 14% shooter from beyond the arc with 9 whole three pointers - in his career!

    If you think all these guys are spot up shooters, you're a deluded YOF.

    Oh wait, never mind....
     
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    How do you expect us to get a guard like Tinsley in the middle of the season?
     
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    Hi dude, please cool down. I am just making an observation. I know that I am not in fantasy league and cannot surround Yao & TMac with Peja, Tinsley, and Brand. Signing Sura is a great deal and a steal at that price. However, the things that Sura has brought to the table is NOT something that I'd like to ask out of the PG: running the offense, setting up teammates for easy baskets, running P&R with big men, making entry passes to the big men, spot up shooting, etc.

    To use another simple example: You are interviewing for a job opening and you are telling the hiring manager that your skills are not a great fit for the core responsibilities, but you can excel in other things and bring lots of intangibles to the table. Will you get hired?
     
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    Lancet, let me add to your list the point guards that are compatible to Yao:

    Stockton, Magic, Tiny Archibald, Allen Level, Mark Price, Derek Harper, Bob Cousy, Spud Webb, Mugsy Bogues,

    Feel free to add to this list, you Yao haters, you make me laugh so damn hard!:)
     
  13. jcantu

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    I think he is trying to list all the point guards that are better than Sura. I agree with some of the ones listed. However, if anyone of these guys comes to our team, the YOF will still blame the PG for Yao only shooting 13 times a game, its inevitable (like Trade Yao threads after a loss).


    I think just about everyone would agree that Tinsley would probably be a better fit for this team than Sura offensively. But if Tinsley was running the show, would Yao get more shot attempts than he is now with Sura running the show?
     
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    To Brevin's credit, he is an exceptional passer, lightening quick and excellent finisher under the basket since his days at Stanford. He will create havoc in the paint for any opponents and he has a decent 15-18 foot jumper.
     
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    Knight may not be shooter, but he is second in assists behind Nash. He doesn't take lots of shots either, unlike Sura. Not a ball hog either.

    Even you cross Knight out, how long was my orignal list? I guess must be short in your YOH colored glasses.
     
  16. Plowman

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    Bobby has done a great job.I mean he's really a 2 playing the point.(sound familiar..see Cat)Like Cat,I think Bobby is ideally suited for being the first or second guy off the bench on a championship caliber team.But right now his versatility is paying dividends.
     
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    ;) ;) ;)
     
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    To tell you the truth, I have seen each and every single one of the play. All of them are real PG who tend to make smart decisions on the court and make plays. Most of them are good shooters too.

    Watching Sura rebounding and hustling is a pleasure. Watching Sura waiving Yao off is getting out of style quick. A role player needs to know his role.
     
  19. SamFisher

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    Your list is defective aside from just Knight, half or fewer, if any of those guys are "spot up shooters" as the term is used, I could go through the tedious exercise of filling in the details, but it would be futile.

    And for the record, I don't hate Yao, I hate it when some of his more deluded fans do silly things, like this thread, for example.
     
  20. Chilly_Pete

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    Yes If the company needed somone who could make a difference right now and the last two temps (Ward, Lue) they brought in made the company lose money. :D

    I think you and I agree. I do not agree with Lancet who would dump Sura right now if he had the chance.
     
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