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What is wrong with Sura?!?

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by porsche911, Jan 24, 2005.

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  1. Harrisment

    Harrisment Member

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    Great idea. This is a ROCKETS fan site....not a Yao fan site.
     
  2. bigben69

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    There are other people on the team besides Yao.
     
  3. Oski2005

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    It's like deja vu in here. I swear this thread already happened a few days ago. DaDakota had the top post of the 2nd page too. I'm freaking out man.

    Deja vu....all over again.
     
  4. Toast

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    Yeah, I'm torn about Sura. I LOVE his energy and hustle.

    But he's not really a point guard. He doesn't see the whole court on offense. I don't think he sees the weak side AT ALL. Unless he & TMac have an alley oop play already established.

    As a SG, he's a slasher without the best outside shot in the world. So I'm kinda torn about Sura.
     
  5. Willis25

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    wake me when this thread (and this topic) DIES !!!

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  6. ima_drummer2k

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    It's like deja vu in here. I swear this thread already happened a few days ago. DaDakota had the top post of the 2nd page too. I'm freaking out man.

    Deja vu....all over again.
     
  7. DanTanna

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    50% of the passes to Yao are turnovers that are sometimes credited to the passer. No wonder players are hesitant to pass it to him.
     
  8. choujie

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    Tmac does a better job passing to Yao than Sura. Overall Sura is good for Rockets, but if he looks for Yao more, it would be a lot better.

    17-9 since Sura started, that's great. But it could be 20-6 if Sura passed to Yao more.

    Look no further than last night, Rockets started losing their lead once they went away from Yao. Sura got to do a better job finding Yao for Rockets to be more successful.
     
  9. tiger0330

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    Stupid thread but it will probably wind up being 50 pages long. This is as bad as when Yao scores 8 points in a game and there are 10 Trade Yao threads the next day.

    Sura is more than a role player, ask JVG, who has proclaimed Sura a "difference maker" and thats coming from a guy that probably hasn't told his wife she's beautiful in 10 years. I for one am glad Bobby Sura is a Rox, CD did good when he signed him.
     
  10. tiger0330

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    The Magic doubled Yao in the second half so that accounts for less touches by Yao in the 2nd half. He's scored 20+ points for the last 4 games so someone has got to be passing to Yao, I would like to see the breakdown of the assist distribution. Anybody know an easy way to get this stat for the last four games.
     
  11. Texas Stoke

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    Yao's teammates, including Sura, do take notice when Yao plays passively after they make a pass to him and he passes the ball back because a scrawny rookie point guard like Jamarr Nelson makes him hesitate when he sees a weak double team. That happened a few times last night and that is Yao problem, not his teammates.

    I will say this. If Sura has a problem with Yao, then why does Yao awkwardly run across the court to help Sura up of the ground every freaking time!?

    I mean really think about it. If a teammates doesnt respect you why run to help him up or to slap his hand every time like some little b****. He is trying too hard there and his teammats can probably sense it. Being kind is one thing, but running to a teammate to help him up when your stamina is already a big issue and this teammate supposedly doesnt pass to you or like you that proves that Yao is trying too hard, and is being a p***y there.

    Yao would get the ball more if he truly wanted the ball more. Do you really think if Yao told his teammates to get him the damn ball or he told JVG that he wants to get the ball more that they would not make an attempt to get him the ball more? The guy is the future of the Franchise. JVG, CD, and Les would take that to heart and jvg is probably waiting on the day for Yao to demand that. But right now.. unless he can go back to the huddle and tell Sura or anyone else to 'get him the f0cking ball' he wont get the ball as much as some fans think he should. If he did that, they wouldn't step to him, they would have no choice but to grant his wish. But Yao doesn't have it in him. He may never find it in him. And in that case he will get the disrespect or amount of respect he deserves at that time. act like a p***y, get treated like a p***y.

    Really now...screw fitting in and being buddy buddy with every teammate. Drexler, Olajuwon, Elie, Barkley, these guys weren't buddies with all their teammates. Drexler and Barkley hated eachothers guts probably, but they respected eachother because they didn't give a **** about being buddies and weren't insecure sensitive wimps, and they just wanted to play and win.


    btw, I love the fact that Yao is a Houston Rocket and truly would not trade him for anyother player in the league..not yet. I mean it. It hurts me more than anyother to see him struggle. And it gives me great satisfaction and happiness when he plays good.
     
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    Excellent post Texas stroke. I agree 100%
     
  13. zong

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    Nothing is wrong with Sura. Sura is Sura. He is a great rebounder, not very point g. Do not try to connect Sura with Yao,
    some people are not happy for this.

     
  14. fa7999

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    Your section were just filled with a bunch of YOFs.;)
     
  15. jcantu

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    Figuring out a YOF's mentality is like trying to explain string theory to Helen Keller.

    During the summer, not one YOF was complaining about the pitiful guards the CNT had or their lack of passing the ball to Yao in good position. The excuse for their horrendous play was that it was better for the TEAM.

    2004 Olympics: MPG 31.3 RPG 9.3 APG1.6 PPG20.7

    Maybe it means something that Yao averaged about the same for the Olympics as he is now. It means that Yao and only Yao dictates how many shot attempts he gets, not Sura!
     
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    Are you saying the current Houston Rockets w/o Yao are as pitful as the Chinese National Team w/o Yao? You are seriously cracking me up! Did you even watch the Olympics? EVERY time any opponents even bother to press CNT, its a guaranteed TO. CND guards completely suck. And Yao yelled a lot towards his teammates for not playing hard, even on the media. CNT rode Yao's lone back to get the three wins. Yao drew more fouls than anyone else in the olympics.

    Face it, Sura and Yao's game don't complement each other. Yao need his PG to pass him the ball. Sura wants to drible and be a ball-hog. Do you want your star player to adjust to his role players, or the role player adjust to your star? A game without T-Mac and Yao got 14 FGs (9-14) and Sura got 13 FGs (3-13) is just NOT acceptable, no matter how many YOF/YOH labeling you threw out.
     
  17. jcantu

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    The line I bolded is my point. I don't think there is a PG alive who is compatible with Yao in the eyes of a true YOF. Just name one!
     
  18. lancet

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    Let me guess, the list of PG that can throw a pass and make a spot up shot: Nash, Brevin Knight, Kirk Hinrich, Rafer Alston, Jammal Tinsley, Luke Ridnour, Andre Miller, Jason Williams, Watson, Chauncey Billups, Maurice Williams, Jason Hart, Speedy Claxton, Jeff McInnis, Jason Terry, Damon Jones, Chucky Atkins, Mike James, Tony Parker, Beno, Bobby Jackson, Stoudmire...

    Yes, it is a very short list. Yes, throwing a pass and making a open shot are skills so ancient and only few PG can do.

    Better take off that YOH glass quick.
     
  19. Chilly_Pete

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    It is acceptable when your other option for PG is Rod Strickland and Andre Barret.

    Sorry but you will never be able to convince me that Bob Sura is bad for this team. The guy is a winner.
     
  20. fa7999

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    Please list another NBA journey man who is as busy as Bobby changing teams has been a winner.

    Bobby is playing out of position and is just a temporary solution for the Rockets at 1. Anyone can see it, either a YOF or a YOH, or a Rockets fan. A 1 like Tinsley would have made the Rockets a much better team for sure, no matter whether you guys want to admit it or not.
     
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