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What is wrong with Herschel Walker?

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by KingCheetah, May 29, 2022.

  1. Invisible Fan

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    Tone deaf would be like telling a blue collar worker "Learn to Code" if one was worried about jerb security.

    With rising gas prices, it's now "Buy Electric." Who has said that? It's worse than AOC, try our nation's Transportation Secretary.

    The Energy Secretary is no better when she laughed off the suggestion of securing ways to boost oil production last year.. She's changed her tune now... a few months after Biden visited Saud to boost theirs and now threatens our relationship with a major security partner of the Middle East.

    In a less polarizing time, Granholm would be pressured to resign for someone who can credibly plan or debate energy security.

    Some of you seriously need to spend more time paying attention to what actual progressive politicians phrase responses that you have supposedly read and watched.

    Might be ironic coming from someone who knows how to code, owns a hybrid and has an environmental science degree, but my progressive creed is for everyone to have opportunities, even for "dummies" who seem to "shoot themselves in the foot".

    Job availability/quality and oil affordability >>> wokeness

    I'm not even going to poke holes about how deeply progressive politicians truly care about the environment or climate change, since it's everyone's total responsibility, but there's a clear correlation of deeper carbon footprints and those with deeper pockets/power. Besides that, oil price inflation (and general runaway inflation) is deeply regressive.

    In an ideal world, my positions would still be more progressive, but I'm more than willing to move more center if it means we include folks on the center-right to pass meaningful solutions to problems politicians like to punt. Also furthering the urgency is the credible populist threat capitalized by Trump and is metastasizing into a playbook on how Republicans can slowly usurp Dems as the blue collar labor or people's party with fraudulent populism.

    Acknowledging "bad/worse messaging" is only a start. If I were to guess, the Dems "bad message" was accepted by you even though it wasn't targeting you directly. Your implicit acceptance of that message as it vibes with your ideals means that it worked to get them in the position that they're in now.

    Maybe upper class/urban professionals need to understand this rather than shrugging off middle Rust Belt murca that continually treated as an albatross around our neck let alone the shithole that is the dirty south and Florida, America's Wang.
     
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    this analysis (and a billion analyses like it) miss the forest through the trees - "if we just change our messaging strategy, we can thread the needle and make it through the lake of fire and then success"

    Folks, it's the whole rotting corrupt system that punishes people for existing and rewards bad actors that need to be upended; everything else is just pretending that you can tweak your message out of it is almost worse than a Sanders daydream.

    I'm not saying don't vote, donate and elect democrats - obviously we have to, but our institutions are fundamenmtally broken in a way that a lot of peopel who dominate the discourse just refuse to acknowledge.

    I also think there's a problem in saying " this messaging works, this messaging doesn't works" - messaging itself is recursive IMO. How a message is received depends on how people think and prime for that message to be received. I thnk our whole political coverage industry has gotten coverage of messaging and issues just INSANELY wrong.
     
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    Is Herschel Walker doubling down?



     
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    Any bets that Herschel did not lose a single vote from SCWs? That is unless the accuser is a hot sexy white women.
     
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    Hell no it won't matter.....The maga gop will just say he`s REDEEMED............praise the LORD and pass the bullets. I wish she would come out and tell the story herself, but that poor lady would be hunted down by the maga cult
     
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    The tweet above implies that she will.

    High-profile attorney Gloria Allred is holding a press conference with the accuser.
     
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    Let’s be clear…. There is a strong lack of accountability and entitlement by many Americans, especially the working or lower class. We need to stop treating these folks “as special”.

    “Learn to code” shouldn’t have really been such a big issue since basically it’s called “adapting”. And that’s the issue…. Folks don’t want to adapt or change…. They want everyone else to change for them.

    The Rust Belt…. Do things rust quickly or slowly? It’s the latter. Instead of investing in new infrastructure and new industries over the span of decades… what’d they do? Sit on their ass and complain.

    The history of America is getting your ass off and moving to where the jobs are. What is so special about the Rust Belt or any underperforming region that they don’t have to adapt?

    Instead of blaming the Feds or the “ruling class” or whatever is populist right now…. How about these folks start looking in the mirror?
     
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    You have to be now days to get the (R) next to your name.

    (Don't get me wrong there are plenty of hypocrites on the left too)
     
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    Better messaging or more empathy is still nice.

    My greater point in the reply was that the terrible leaders we elect and tolerate is due to us enabling "our politicians" and looking past their terrible messaging/empathy by shaming/demonizing others who don't perfectly fit our ideals or platforms. So yeah, the system is broken (all sides agree with dangerous implications...), and I would still gravitate to Dems over whatever grift Cons are scheming to maintain minority control while engineering fat commissions from it.

    The original reply was to a poster who did not think Progressives were "tone deaf" because they put out positive vibes and a platform that cares equally and equitably. With a goal like that, how could it be tone deaf...

    Then why is the brand becoming reviled and repellant to the working classes that Progressivism should uplift? It simply isn't just about "AOC and her gang" needing a better message and some deodorant.

    Biases, tribalism, circling the wagons, yadda yadda yadda.
     
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    If that is your prerogative, then we likely disagree with what the Progressive ideal should be. @subtomic re:tone deaf

    From where I'm from, Americans are entitled as ****, moreso than whatever pride they have from signalling how much work or 'bootstrappin from nuthin' they've done. Both sides of the same coin lol.

    Besides, the focus isn't on individual virtues, but rather political trends that end up with freaks like Herschel Walker.

    Me, I would rather not be saddled with seeing unrestrained homelessness and crazy vagabonds around my haunts, and the growing fear that housing prices will cause social instability in areas with massively distressed housing/rent.

    Call me self serving or whatever. I kinda enjoy my own quality of life.
     
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    "He pressured me to have an abortion and personally ensured it occurred by driving me to the clinic and paying for it," the woman said in a voice heavy with emotion.
     
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    YEP!
     
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    It's harsh but largely correct. There is a cost with any large scale change and the shift to Globalization and automization has a very strong costs on industries and regions that were heavily dependent on those. There's no way to turn the clock back and trying to protect non competitive and outdated industries will rapidly lead to other problems.

    Consider how countries like Taiwan, SK and Singapore have become some of the most advanced and vibrant economies in a relatively short time. They went through a period where they primarily did cheap manufacturing that required low skilled, and low educated labor. In the 1980's "Made in Taiwan" was considered equivalent to low costs and low quality. Instead of just relying upon that they heavily invested in education and new infrastructure. The older generations who couldn't adapt they put in social safety nets. Within a matter of decades they moved onto produced very advanced and expensive products along with financial services and other parts ot the knowledge economy.
     
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    I think too often the lower class and even middle class votes against their self interest due to misplaced American mythos and culture war nonsense. As far as political parties, the difference is one side believes the government should play a more active role in blunting the effects of capitalism and the other doesn’t believe the government should play a strong role in that. I just don’t buy that “both sides” talk.

    Homelessness is a very costly issue, so who should foot the bill? What are these do nothing religious organizations with tax exempt status doing about homelessness?

    Housing is such a complex issue. Are you willingly to allow more density in your area? Nimbyism is certainly an issue that does actually involve both sides.
     
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    By "both sides" (nice kneejerk), it's more a cultural issue than a political one. Your last post ranted about people having to adapt and hustle, much like what cons have in the past invoked in response to welfare and government assistance.

    Your beliefs didn't suddenly change Con did it? Rather, it's a quintessentially American mindset predicated by power dynamics.

    You think you have the upper moral and economic hand. The laggards have to man up and perform. Maybe you are blessed but have realized it yet.

    Look, I'm not going to get into yet another thread derail especially when they are points where Progressivism should be popular among poor voters yet can't seem to address these core issues in heavily urban cities that are considered predominantly Progressive enclaves.

    I've had progressive beliefs for well over 2 decades, done charities, volunteered at NGOs, met with congress people. At some point, I rather have progress. Being knee deep in smug or "hurt feelings" with a high horse isn't going to cut it.

    If it means understanding and connecting with center right folks who aren't Trumpers or "not with us, against us" minded, then yes I'll make the effort to see where our common ground is.

    I live in a solidly blue state. Ideal signalling really isn't an issue or concern for me. Red states or red control of purple areas are.
     
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    Hello Hello Hello Hello Hello Hello Hello Hello Hello Hello Hello Hello Hello Hello Hello Hello Hello Hello Hello Hello Hello

    Quite a Libtard echo chamber you got here.
     
  18. Invisible Fan

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    Is dat u Herschel Walker?
     
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    Just a God Fearing American, each of which are daggers to the hearts of Libtards.
     
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    Did this MFer just hold a conversation with himself?
     

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