As an actual progressive, I literally never hear “woke ****” coming from my peers. What I have observed is a desire to treat others - particularly minorities and the marginalized - fairly and with dignity. If that’s woke **** to you, then you can **** off. And anyone who’s read my posts here knows I don’t see the left as all sunshine. Their failure to message effectively for most of my life and their failure to vote in 2016 are but two examples of them hurting their own cause (and opening the door to GOP malfeasance). We don’t have a 6-3 conservative Supreme Court tearing things down if progressive voters had showed up in 2016 like they did in 2007 and 2012. None of that however absolves Maher from his gross misrepresentation of actual progressive policy and ideas, and the damage that misrepresentation does.
I do support Republicans as I have continued to write in Republicans for state and federal office if there is not one on the ballot that I support. Who are the Republicans I haven't supported and what is this long time you refer to? I'll save you some time, I don't support Trump and his ilk (e.g. MTG, Hawley, Boebert, Gohmert, Oz, Walker, etc.) Do you support those I listed?
With all due respect Deck, this isn’t a forum of any consequence - we’re largely a bunch of nobodies playing armchair quarterback to the public aspects of the party. Everyone has their own motivations, but as I’ve stated before, I think the left and leftish posters here argue with each other because we have only trolls, fools or cultists arguing the conservative side of things. So in order to scratch our political talk itch, we debate with each other with varying levels of vitriol. I’ll be the first to admit that arguments here can become tedious, but I don’t see how it could have any significant effect on the actual efforts of the left to win elections. Occasionally I’ll see a poster claim that because some left poster was mean to them, he’s going to vote GOP but frankly, I find such an accusation unconvincing. The best way to win the Midterms is to get out and vote and I don’t see any poster of any political persuasion arguing against that.
Your implication that I'm not an "actual progressive", that I somehow treat others unfairly or without respect, and the fact that you are so irrationally triggered right now suggest that you're very uncomfortable. What's interesting is that I gave you no reason to feel this way, you simply manufactured it in your head. It's almost as if you're attempting to regain that comfort by victimizing yourself.
I haven’t portrayed myself as a victim at all. I’m just arguing on a message board with someone who actually thinks Maher’s characterization of the left has any kind of accuracy. I think your viewpoint is both ridiculous and unsupported by the facts (for example, go to the Democratic Party website and see if you can find anything about pronouns or encouraging a cross dressing teacher to wear exaggerated falsies), but I don’t take it personally. So don’t pat yourself on the back too hard thinking you’ve triggered me - smugness doesn’t feel as good with a misaligned vertebrae.
I'm glad, I definitely don't want to trigger anyone to tell someone to **** off. I wasn't exactly talking about the Democratic party website, more the general culture. It seems our experience is a little different, which is totally OK. I certainly see where Maher is coming from, and still be an actual progressive just like you.
I will admit I’m a Maher fan and watch him frequently but don’t always agree with him. He’s an entertainer at heart and the New Rules segment and his monologue is primarily entertainment and opinion. It’s not meant to be a deep dive factual analysis and should be taken that way. He does lay out some cutting criticism and in that segment he does layout that while their are things that aren’t good about Liberal culture Republicans are worse. They are willing to tolerate and support truly horrible candidates just to get back at Liberals. We’ve heard similar sentiments in many places including here. He’s making a point that it’s all about “owning the libs”
Im not a Republican.. it's not just supporting Republican candidates, you don't support their politics. Currently their biggest issue is Hispanic immigration. I'm sure you don't support Abbott and DeSantis bussing migrants around the country. Ive never seen you post on this subject and I know you don't support it. It's literally their biggest issue. I know you don't support it because I know you wouldn't support a politician parading people around the country to make a political point. This is why I really don't understand why you are a Republican. Republican supporters have no issue with the migrants being paraded. They are totally unsympathetic of them on a human level. They think protecting the idea of America is that important and I know it disgusts you. You don't support their issues and the way they go about pursuing their goals so what is the point remaining aligned with them? Im not obsessed with your politics, it's weird to see you remain a Republican when you not only don't support their politics you are openly critical of their actions in this forum
You don’t hear “woke” from progressives so much these days because the Right has managed to define it negatively. About 10 year as ago getting “woke” was more on the progressive side. I still here people on the progressive side say “my pronouns are” but that is something the Right is successfully turning against the left. Democrats and the Left in general are not good at messaging. “Defund the police” is still being used for political gain against Democrats. This isn’t something Maher made up but is one of those things that actually helped Republicans win races in the last election. Even in very liberal Minneapolis it kept the Mayor who was roundly booed publicly by activists when he said he wouldn’t define the police stay on office . You don’t have to like Maher but I think you’re putting way too much in him. You’re holding him responsible for things that yes he is exploiting for entertainment but he didn’t create.
The "left" can have internal discussions about things like pronouns and not once discuss anything about forcing others to abide by them and the right will quote that discussion and spam it to oblivion on social media. That's the problem. It's impossible to have any type of outside the Overton window discussion about interesting topics without the right finding out of context quotes and spamming on social media. I just don't like how you are buying into the right wing framing here. Bill Maher isn't responsible. He's just an enabler. I've spent years in the most leftist bastion in America+Amherst) and not once did you hear any discussion about condemning people for using the wrong pronoun. Leftists have discussions. That's all. The right wants to oriented these discussions are the begining of a cultural Marxist take over where they will impose pronouns by law. And the moderate establishment will never put in the hard work for forming nuanced arguments on sincere policy desires therefore they will latch on to all the easy political polices and talking points. The reason establishment Democrats don't want to be "associated with "defund the police" isn't because of the actual policy itself but because it takes more effort to make the rhetorical arguments on a system that has hundreds of years of institutionalized backing. That's it. Creative solution to systemic problems that have lasted for decades isn't the strong suite of the establishment liberal who would rather the status quo be maintained because ethe status quo has benefited them.
When is the last time anything Maher said made it into the general conversation? What centrist parrot his arguments, what world do you live in? Why, are you, so hell-bent on painting centrist as a negative?
Lol dude I went to school in Amherst, MA straight out of the Marine infantry. I call bs on your your anecdotes. The left can often have internal discussions about "outside the overtone window" where they go really in depth about pronouns but that's it. It's just them having internal discussions. This idea that there are raging lunatics who will scold you if you accidently misgender someone is just social media rage grifting. The only time it would become an issue from "the Left" is if there was a transgender person in a workplace setting who not only misgenders but goes out of the way like constructing sentences specifically to increase the maximum number of pronouns in a sentence. The left labels that septically as a type of harassment specifically going out of your way to do it. Stop buying into right wing agit prop spammed on social meida.
He does it to get a reaction from people like you, the same is being said on the right. Somebody doesn't like dissenting opinions, sounds a lot like a republican.
Just call it like I see it. There is more than enough evidence on here that I can take a dissenting opinion, just have low tolerance for stupid and evasive ones that try and move goalpost.
Yep. I did not call others stupid, I called you stupid, It's personally about you What part did you miss?
