Disagree with me all you want, Deckard. I'm well beyond my limit with frustrated Hillary supporters who want to vilify Obama no matter what he does. Although you'll vote Democrat like you always have, you are more than ready at all times to make him the villain. Meanwhile, you have never found any fault whatsoever with Hillary, even when she threw what she herself called the kitchen sink. We start the convention tomorrow. I'm sick of this ****. It is Hillary's job to undo the damage she did so we can support the nominee who won fair and square, even after dealing with unprecedented Dem on Dem nastiness. Hold a grudge if you want. Hell, stay home and don't vote. Or vote McCain in hopes of Hillary 2012. I'm sick to death of coddling sore losers. Obama has gone above and beyond to honor Hillary and her campaign even though its sole purpose over the last four months was to destroy him by any means possible, even after he pretty much had the thing mathematically sewn up. Hillary keeps talking about how no losing candidate has ever done as much as she has for the nominee. What about Romney, Hillary? What about Huckabee? The difference between those guys and Hillary is that they actually want their party's nominee to win. I thought Hillary's concession speech was beautiful and perfect in every way (apart from being a few days late). I really had a lot of hopes for unity. But the fact that this BS is going on the night before the convention, the fact that Bill Clinton is still complaining to the media about his role, is beyond crap. Obama and his campaign would never say this because it would be stupid, but I will. They can go to hell.
And George, you are what the blogs call a "concern troll." You don't give a damn about any of this except in how it benefits Republicans. (Hey Deckard, you and George are on the same side here. How does it feel?) But you aren't just a troll, you're a coward. You are so cowardly in fact that you won't even take a bet that you've been swearing for months you'd win. Grow a sack. Or borrow one. Or just go poof like usual.
the 3:00 am thing was stupid, because it was the middle of the night. It is crazy to think it has something to do with the whole Hillary ad thing.
Man, I'm one of the bigger Hillary supporters on this board, and even I don't think the 3 a.m. text had any hidden meaning to it. For one, depending on what time zone you're in, any middle of the night text could be 3. It's just like most conspiracies -- if you're that desperate to find evidence, you can spin anything into meaning something it's not. It's no different from the "Obama is the anti-Christ!!!" idiots. What happened? Like Major said, it was mismanaged. The plan, according to numerous sources, was to send it out Saturday morning (7-10 AM range). But they underestimated the MSM, and when ABC/CNN broke the story (around 11:30 central), they tried to send the text as quickly as they could to save face. Well, as CNN and numerous other outlets had reported for days, it would take 2-4 hours to send the texts... and lo and behold, 2-4 hours later, people started getting the texts. It had nothing to do with Hillary Clinton and everything to do with the plan of waiting until Saturday morning being foiled by ABC/CNN's late night scoop. Everybody needs to move on.
You've been very cool through all of this, The Cat. Any chance you could do me (and the country) a favor? Like, have your people talk to Bill Clinton's people? It's well past time he started doing the right thing. And time is running out.
I wish. The more I think about it, the more "Bill's mouth" is moving to the top of my list of things that went wrong for Hillary in 2008. And much like the most recent story on Politico says, she seems to have taken the aftermath with a lot more grace than him as well.
I definitely agree that she's been way, WAY more gracious than he has. I think she can do more though. (And I definitely think he can.) She knows she hasn't brought her supporters along yet. Unless she's doing everything she can, if it doesn't work it doesn't totally count. I know this is not a labor of love for her, but we don't yet know if she's doing what she has to do or if she's trying to get him elected. And she has influence on Bill too. We'll know a lot more on Tuesday night. But we'll really know a lot more on Wednesday night. At any rate, you're one of the good ones The Cat. A good Democrat.
I supported Hillary at the caucus and had a bad experience. I still think Hillary would've done a better job than Obama but that's all in the past now. I'm not convinced about Obama's judgments so far but voting for McCain would go against many of the things I believe in. McCain hasn't really displayed good judgment lately either. The only way I even remotely consider voting this year, is if McCain pledges to be a one-term President(Which he won't) and if he picks Bloomberg as his VP. Otherwise, I'm definitely going to sit this one out. Nevertheless, whoever becomes President, we are still the United States of America. We'll be fine either way.
who are the winners in all this? 400 miilion man Rush Limbough 100 million man sean hannity 100 man with 7 house John mccain. 200 million man rick warren Exxon mobile KB Halliburton ect. the losers middle class people who vote against there own economics because of wedge issues. poor people of all colors even the trash from w.virginia. if Obama loose the clintons might as well hang their political carrer up.How do people think Obama supports will vote for her in 2012, after she intentionally sabotage the man campaign by dividing the party for own ambtions 4 years later.
Didn't Hillary lose this primarily due to having no post-Super Tuesday strategy? Sure, there was overwhelming bias in the press in favor of Obama, but she had this thing in the bag if she hadn't run such a poor campaign. On a side note, there's one moment that a lot of people have forgotten about. That debate early this year where the late Tim Russert asked her about driver's licenses for illegal aliens. That was a real turning point in the primary. Her poor response to that question opened the door for all her opponents to pile on her.
Screw the Clintons if thet don't do a great job of uniting the Party. If not they can join Lieberman in the Hall of Shame. Obama is partly responsible for the continuning mess as he has not looked like a strong leader, a fighter, which was part of Hillary's attraction.. His waffling on FISA and off shore drilling, taking so long to respond to MCaine's negative advertising and toying around with consevatives like Bayh and Chet Edwards have made him look weak and unsure about what he thinks. He is looking like Kerry or Gore, before his post election conversion to a guy who says what he stands for. Obama needs to run strong as a populist, forget his wall street backers. I think that he can win on the backs of people who are hopeful that government can do more to help them than start wars . I have one in law a 40 yr old guy who has always voted GOP due to hisconservative evangelicalism, he supports Obama because recently he had to pay over $10k due to his not so great medical insurance; he is not happy with the economics of our Iraq War. Talk about bringing the troops home, using the money we send to IraQ for health care and relief from the housing collapse. Don't be afraid to mention choice. McCain can't do this as it offends his GOP base. Obama has to go on the offensive and not be all negative, though he has to do that too. Just being a smiley nice guy who is timid in his policy proposals won't cut it. He needs to hammer MCSame who has voted 95% for Bush and lay it out. If you want a Bush 3rd term, McCain is your guy. If Americans want that, Obama can't win anyway. As McCain tries to wiggle and claim all new positions that needs to be pointed out strongly with before and after ads.
3 AM is the new Midnight! It's now the definition of being on top to things. I think it was absolutely calculated but it was probably meant tongue-in-cheek. Any attempt at humor though is just so easily exploitable in the the world of finger pointing. (just look at John McCains $5 million dollar quote) The VP deal and text had to be made in the middle of the night to spread out the impact of the story. You couldn't do it during normal business hours and allow the snooping news paparazzi to break it. It had to hit everyone, text readers and newspaper headline readers at the same time. Like Christmas you want them all to wake up to the surprise. I do think it was Bill that sank Hillary. Much the same as Hillary would have hogged the spotlight on a ticket with Obama, Bill would have hogged the spotlight on a Hillary administration and I think people have had enough of the rule of royal families in this country. Surely the most qualified human being to lead this country does not get that way by birth or marriage. That's how you end up with your Nero's, Caligula's and George Bushes. Parties are still the most basic governmental choice we have in this country. There will be debates and decisions this week at the convention on party platforms. Once the policies are determined on both sides then people can decide who to vote for. And I don't think many people who generally supported Hillary are going to decide that the Republican platform is closer to their vision for America.
The irrationality from these pumapac types baffles me. Did they really think Obama would have picked Hillary for a running mate after she basically threw him under her campaign bus and then backed it up and ran him over a few more times? How do you work with somebody after they basically go nuclear on you? It's not the Clinton Party, it's the DEMOCRATIC PARTY.
You right! She REALLY killed her chances the last day of the primary. Instead of working her butt off and supporting Obama to get on the ticket like Huckabee and Romney did with McCain, she choose to try strong arm her way on the ticket. She has done way more damage to the party then she has positive...I like Bill a lot, but I have had it with anybody last name Clinton.
In a way I'm actually glad these people aren't Democrats anymore: http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/08/25/angry-clinton-backers-targeted/#more-13987
And Biden didn't throw Obama under the bus during the primary debates? <object width="425" height="344"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/EV14xqelWxY&hl=en&fs=1"></param><param name="allowFullScreen" value="true"></param><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/EV14xqelWxY&hl=en&fs=1" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowfullscreen="true" width="425" height="344"></embed></object>
I got mine at 2:41 am. I would have never thought of that little conspiracy theory until I read it here.
