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What is the strategic vision for 2011-2012?

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by Yonizzel, May 19, 2011.

  1. CXbby

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    Hmm. Kevin McHale starting to make a little more sense?
     
  2. VictorB

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    Yeah....like the OP's question is not a loaded one. Best coach in the NBA? This is the same coach who would have kept playing Brooks till the end, no matter how much he struggled. Rick was set on his player rotation, even when it wasn't working. That should tell you something. How is Brooks doing in Phoenix?

    Rick needed to go. I don't think he was up for the challenge of teaching a bunch of new guys his system. He wanted veterans and that is not what the Rockets needed. I'm glad DM didn't go with the "patch-work" path and try to trade for vet's. Look at what that has done for the Astros. They have no good youth. Look at what some of the younger teams are doing in the NBA. You may suck for a while, but it will pay off if you have the right coach that is willing to teach young guys how to play.

    Some of us need to accept that we are not going to win big soon, but in a couple years down the road, we will.
     
  3. RedDragon01

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    It's the magic of reason. But honestly, I don't know what you're talking about. Did I hint that I have magic powers? Or are you pulling a Clutchfans Classic of being snarky to try to make a point?

    I'll assume you asked because you think I'm either for or against trading Martin. Seems like most posters lately think strongly one way or another and that the opposing viewpoint is wrong and intolerable. It really is a shame because it turns our fandom into unnecessary dividing politics.

    The point I was making is that Martin is the kind of player that could be on a championship team with his efficiency and offensive potency, as long as he has necessary support to bolster his weaknesses. However, every team before him that won a championship has done it without him. So it works both ways. If you have a chance to trade your best player for a potentially much better player, then you usually try to do it.

    I'm not going to act like I know whether DWill has that kind of potential, or whether Kanter is deserving of a 2nd overall pick. There appear to be some professionals that believe they do/are. Then again, there appears to be some solid logic being used to suggest otherwise, as well.

    But if your scouts believe that he has a higher ceiling than arguably your best player, then you actively look to make that trade, specific players aside.

    People get so heated on CF lately. Like any of us are experts. As if our way is the right way and any other way is absolutely wrong. Drives me crazy. I doubt I'm alone.
     
  4. RedDragon01

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    I strongly agree with this statement. Not renewing RA's contract to remain as head coach was very telling as to the Rocket's direction. The trades at the trade deadline this season were very telling. The direction is now clear, whether we all wish to see it or not.

    One camp believes we can still compete in 2012. The other camp believes the only way we have a chance of succeeding (winning a championship) any time soon is to get into next year's lotto. The Rockets Front Office shows signs of agreeing with the latter. But you really can't get upset with anyone in the first camp, because they still believe, and that's admirable.

    No Rockets fan should be surprised if we end up trading any 2 of our top 3 players for draft picks this year or next, because the signs have been there since the trade deadline. You may not agree with it when it happens, but you shouldn't be surprised if/when it does.
     
  5. danoman

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    I bet that morey is tired of all the pressure that involves aquiring an all-star player, I belive he is gona try to move up in this draft as high as possible without hurting the team but possibly trading Kevin Martin for a top 3 pick, As for next season I belive that we are gona develop our assets and play all the right combination for us to lose netting us a high draft pick (hopefully with a little luck in the lotto we may even move up to the top 3) and since next years draft is loaded and with morey working his magic we might be able to aquire a star trough that way.
     
  6. real_egal

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    Strategic vision? We are going to win big instead of win now. Whatever that is supposed to mean, ask DM or our insightful posters who celebrated the move and shared the "vision". :)
     
  7. Yonizzel

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    Why is vision in quotations? That kind of satirizes its seriousness don't you think?
     
  8. jim1961

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    Whether we should trade Scola or Martin partly depends on when we will be relevant again.

    While Scola probably has fewer good years in him than Martin, both are approaching that age when 3 or 4 years from now, they will be in decline. It may be steep, or mild. But a drop off will surely occur.

    My feeling is that Scola's value will never be higher. It doesnt mean we give him away. But if we can obtain someone who has the possibility to develop into a 2nd tier star in the 3-5 year window, I say do it. Martin's value may hold for another year or two, barring injury. I would only trade him now for someone who is a near certainty of being his equal (in overall contribution to the team). Otherwise, waiting till next year (which is almost certain to be shorter than normal) in a deal for a 2012 pick (deeper draft) makes more sense than dealing him now.
     
  9. Pieman2005

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    Yeah. I'd rather 40 games than draft a Tim Duncan.
     
  10. Yonizzel

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    lol thank you. exactly what i was saying. in my opinion the strategic vision for 2011-2012 is to win as least amount of games as possible.

    I wish we had a team in which one player was very entertaining yet we still lost games, in order for us to get a "tim duncan" next year. A perfect example of this type of team is the clippers. Blake is fun as hell to watch but they still lose.
     
  11. Clutch

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    This is what we don't know for sure. The February 2011 trade deadline seemed to suggest rebuilding, but it was a very small, nearly insignificant step that didn't really sacrifice wins. They really could go either way (still), which is the frustrating part. One side prays you could (by some unlikely miracle) land Dwight Howard... the other considers dealing off starters like Scola and Martin.

    As it stands right now though, the Rockets are not in the West's top 8 now nor would I project them to be in 2013-14. They need change and I think if fans knew the vision/direction for this team, they might be more receptive to some of the names being thrown out there for the new coach.

    I don't know about Morey, but if the Rockets don't make a significant addition this offseason, I hope they consider selling off. I'm hoping the East can make some improvements and the Knicks can miss the playoffs, though that's not too likely.
     

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