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What is the difference between Aaron Brooks and Allen Iverson?

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by trugoy, Jan 14, 2010.

  1. BrooksBall

    BrooksBall Member

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    Also, if you look at Brooks' numbers around the basket compared to Iverson's, there really isn't a signficant difference in term of efficiency.

    http://www.nba.com/hotspots/

    Iverson got to the rim a lot but wasn't anywhere near the Parker/Nash range in terms of efficiency, at least for the 6 years of data that is available in this tool. Out of the years unavailable, other than his 2nd season, his FG% was always in the low 40s and his volume of 3pt shooting didn't vary tremendously so I doubt his efficiency around the basket was much different than what we see here.

    Out of this data set, Iverson is slightly above 50% around the basket while Brooks is slightly under (other than the small sample size in his rookie season where he was around 55%).

    I think we need to give Brooks more time to see how efficient/inefficient he is in terms of finishing around the rim. There isn't quite enough data to draw a conclusion or make a good comparison to Iverson in this respect. I see Brooks as having very good touch in close, especially when using the glass, but he struggles with contact or when he senses contact.

    Brooks will never get to that basket as often as Iverson and will never get to the line as often but I wouldn't be surprised if he can finish with similar efficiency, mostly because Iverson's efficiency wasn't particularly impressive.

    What Iverson did excel at was getting into that area and drawing fouls and those are things Brooks won't even begin to do at the same level. Iverson was a fearless freak in terms of attacking the basket going back to well before he got to the NBA. Brooks is more of a finesse player that avoids contact. It's just not in his mental makeup to take punishment the way guys like Iverson and Lowry do.
     
  2. YaoMac09

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    While we are at it..

    Who is the better rebounder, Lowry or Magic?

    I say Lowry because he wears red!

    :rolleyes:
     
  3. Tom Bombadillo

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    Free throws... Iverson can finish like a superstar.
     
  4. trugoy

    trugoy Member

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    O RLY?

    ask memphis or detroit how much iverson wants to win.
     
  5. trugoy

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    Brooks definitely not shabby in the wingspan department, Iverson seems to be able to maneuver with the ball in traffic and in the air, it looks to me like bigger hands is the difference, kind of like the difference between MJ an Kobe.
     
  6. trugoy

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    Great post, Brooks really needs to learn how to flop on offense, he constantly is getting pushed and bodied, he really needs to learn to fall over at the right spots and force the refs to make the call. Flailing his arms around when he drives wouldn't be amiss either.
     
  7. BrooksBall

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    A lot of people complain about "flopping" and "embellishment" but pretty much all the elite players do it.

    A good percentage of the fouls that Lowry draws at both ends of the court are due to some level of embellishment and I think that's a good thing.

    Refs will let opposing players get away with a lot of stuff (at both ends of the court) if a player just tries to fight through it and doesn't do stuff to get the refs' attention and force them to blow their whistles.

    Brooks is almost too honest. He needs to cultivate the ability to cheat, so to speak, or he'll continue getting mugged and shoved with few whistles blown.
     
  8. BrooksBall

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    I truly don't think that is the case but I don't have any data to back up hand size. In terms of length and wingspan, that link in the post you replied to showed that Brooks has very long arms for his height. His wingspan and standing reach are right there with a lot of players who are two inches taller than him.

    Again, I think Iverson's ability to do what he does around the basket has more to do with physical and mental strength than arm length and hand size but I could be wrong.

    Bullard often talks about how big Brooks' hands are for his size. I really don't think there are many players in the league under 6'2 with bigger hands than Brooks. Rondo is probably one of the few.
     
  9. nachbarFTW

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    6 or 7 children
     
  10. mjhaver5

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    wow horrible game by cavs damn horrible coaching by cavs
     
  11. mjhaver5

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    wrong thread sorry!
     
  12. MambaJoe

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    Its AI personality and his mentality to win is different from Brooks.

    Aaron Brooks is a shoot first PG and he can score. But AI is a SG and he is a bonified scorer. Iverson knows how to finish around the rim much better than AB can.

    AI plays with mostly one on one and series of crossovers. Both are great scorers. AB was drafted to lead this team while AI was drafted to lead his franchise.

    AB is a good player with lots of room to grow. But AI talent and skill level is far beyond Brooks can ever imagine. Both are 6' footers, one will probably be an all star some day and one is considered the greatest scoring little man in the history of the NBA.
     
  13. Alvin Choo

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    AI is pound for pound the toughest player(during his prime). I still remember him going at Shaq, bounce right off, and still able to make the shot, during the 01 championships.

    AB still yet to learn how to absorb contact.
     
  14. DaDakota

    DaDakota Balance wins
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    Iverson's efficiency around the basket is skewed by the fact that he got a lot of respect from the refs a lot earlier in his career.

    If Brooks got Iverson's calls he would be over 20ppg and over 50% shooting at the rim.

    Just look at the Dirk hack job no call, that goes down as a miss for Brooks......

    That happens every game for him.

    Aaron needs to go to drama class.

    DD
     
  15. HTown_TMac

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    This is incorrect... Did you not hear the ref talking about Iverson on 60 minutes(right show?)?

    How can you people compare Brooks to a Prime Iverson?? Its r****ded
     
  16. van chief

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    I think Brooks doesn't mind going to practice.

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  17. DaDakota

    DaDakota Balance wins
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    Oh come on, Donaghy, that is what you have? DONAGHY????

    LOL....

    Iverson lived at the FT line, look it up.....Brooks gets hammered just as much, just doesn't have the refs respect yet.

    DD
     
  18. trugoy

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    Actually it backs up the notion that iverson was favoured, the games where he didn't get the refs calls, were the "typical" 4/21 or 7/29 games where he looked very average. He needed the refs to call the fouls for him to be a superstar.
     
  19. rockbox

    rockbox Around before clutchcity.com

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    What made Iverson better was the fact he could and accelerate again at will. Once Brooks gets going he never slows down. Brooks needs to develop his hesitation moves.
     
  20. DaDakota

    DaDakota Balance wins
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    Yes this is true....and I think that comes with time...he will get it....

    Think about it, he has been faster than anyone he played against his whole life.....now he is still faster but there are trees in there that can effect his shot.

    So, he needs to go to Sam Cassell school and learn that stop and pop and hesitation moves and he will be ALL STAR level then.

    He is borderline now.

    DD
     

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