My vote for Obama was a reach motivated to put a black man in the Oval Office and hopefully subdue some of the institutional racism that still lingers. For that reason alone, I'm glad I did it but otherwise I regret the vote now. I don't feel I want to "reach" with my vote anymore.
I don't believe that for a minute. I see what he said. What's more I know where he said it. This is just private campaign hyperbole that all candidates partake of-- particularly in what they consider a safe place like a private fundraiser. This great political process we have is to make mountains out of molehills. I will try to refrain. If you remember, I mildly, not vociferously, defended Obama's "you did not build that" commentary. In that case, I thought he mangled his words so that it came out awkwardly... but I still think it was trending with his thought processes. And Obama's remarks were made in public, too!
Cronyism? Obama has taken that term to the ultimate. Please note his rewards ranging from his money bundlers ($535 million to Solyndra is a good example) to the Chicago machine (Axelrod, Jarrett, Daley, Emanuel et al). So now you are comparing Romney to Hitler? Democrats also have accused him of being a murderer and a felon. To what depths can the Democratic Party sink just because Romney kicked Obama's butt in Debate #1 or even dared to challenge the sacrosanct leader? Romney outlined his five major points to improving the economy. With the exception of growing government, Obama can't tell you one. Romney said his specifics would be worked out in a bipartisan fashion. He has the experience as a governor to back up his statements. Obama can't get a bipartisan approach because his attempts at legislation are based on "take it or leave it -- there will be prisoners" (especial blame goes to Nancy and Harry). Separation of church and state? Where has Romney said he wants them melded? Homosexual rights? Where has he said anything about that except that he believes they shouldn't be married in a church if the church is against homosexual marriage. Pro 1% -- really? You obviously did not listen to the debate. Corporate welfare? You obviously did not listen to the debate. Medical mar1juana? Get real. Obama admitted smoking pot among other things. Excessive pot smoking is probably why he didn't accomplish anything in the White House during his first term. Anti-poor? Romney has a long history of contributions to charities by money and works. Obama uses his community organizer personna to buy votes. He and Biden do very little without some form of quid pro quo. BTW, I'm finally warming to Romney ... even past my "anybody but Obama" rationale.
Saying that 47% of Americans don't take responsibility for themselves and making the basis for being included in that 47% being those on govt. assistance isn't a molehill, and it wasn't taken out of context. It's BS. Romney's claim means that any US military veteran who receives any kind of veteran's benefits doesn't take responsibility for themselves. It means any senior citizen who's on medicare doesn't take responsibility for themselves. I believe Romney didn't mean to indict those groups, but that's the point. He isn't aware of what govt. assistance does. When he's going around talking about slashing it, but has no idea who it helps, that's trouble. Obama's you didn't build that alone, comments were accurate, and there is no comparison between Romney's BS comment and Obama's accurate one.
Watch mindless televison to relax. Read a book (or listen to an audio book if you are visually challenged) if you want to learn and expand your mind.
The comment was put into a new context by imposing it on governing policy rather than campaigning strategy. We can take any generalized comment and make it look bad. Be realistic. I'm pretty sure after campaigning for president this long that Romney has a better idea than you (or I) do about what government assistance does. Obama's comments were accurate in so far as the actual building of the road goes.... but that's not news or even noteworthy.
Well then if he does have an idea of what govt. assistance is, then his comments were worse than I originally thought, and he was calling the elderly and military veterans out for not being responsible and wanting handouts.
Let me know when/where he "called out" the elderly and the military veterans except via The Left's desperate extrapolation. You do understand that "called out" means cited specifically?
Where he claimed that 47% who accept govt. assistance don't take responsibility for themselves. Which he did. Those that take govt. assistance include the military who accepts veterans benefits, elderly who accept medicate and social security.
His first "definition" of the 47% regards their expectation that the government provide healthcare, food and housing... that the government should just give it to them.... Romney was oversimplifying and exaggerating in private remarks to his supporters. He very clearly states that, AS A CANDIDATE, he cannot worry about those folks because they are in Obama's pocket. Keep twisting and I'll just keep untwisting.... :grin:
Speaking of twisting and untwisting... anyone here actually believe giddyup voted for Obama last election?
giddy, he said that he can't make them take personal responsibility insinuating that they don't do that at this time. You can pretend that he isn't saying that, but then there's no point in discussing further if that's what you're going to do. Most seniors do believe that the govt. owes them medicare and social security and medicare. Most Veterans do believe the govt. owes them the veterans benefits they were promised. Mitt claims that they aren't taking personal responsibility. You are the guy talking about how Mitt was just exaggerating at the fundraiser. That's the twist right there. I'm just looking at the words Mitt said. That isn't twisting.
Again, show me where he called out the seniors and the veterans in particular. Seniors have paid for their Medicare and social security over a lifetime of work. Where are they clamoring for food and housing? Same with veterans? Where? Your side is just manipulating 30 seconds of off the cuff remarks to make your point yet you would endlessly defend Obama's public remarks about "you didn't build that." Ever fight fair?
Are you insane? He didn't call them out in particular. He said people who expect things from the govt. He said that. Seniors and Veterans are people who expect things from the govt. including health care. So by inclusion Romney was talking about them. You can ignore it if you wish. But that's what ROMNEY SAID
Here's what Romney said: "...who believe that government has a responsibility to care for them, who believe that they are entitled to health care, to food, to housing, to you name it." Romney said that their perception is that government has the responsibility not the individual his/herself. Does that really fit the profile of the Senior or the Veteran? Seniors and Veterans rightly expect healthcare because they have earned it with working contributions and sacrifices, but what about food and housing and you name it? That is equally part of Romney's definition of the problem. You can't just pick and choose. In fact, he DID NOT SAY "Seniors and Veterans are people who expect things from the govt. including health care." YOU said that. YOU are the one who said he "called them out," not me. Romney said what he said and you've over-layed your indictment upon it to suit your political purposes. Saying an apple is rotten doesn't make all apples rotten.
Your analogy is weak at best. If anything he said that the barrel over there has rotten apples in it. If you don't see the fact that he stuck his foot in his mouth and over generalized a mass of people, and that he inadvertently attacked the military and the elderly then you are the perfect person to vote for him! Have fun!
Did you not see the part where I accused him of hyperbole? My analogy is an after-thought to my argument. He did not inadvertently attack seniors and the military because they do not meet the definition of what his incrimination laid out: expecting healthcare and housing and food. One our of three is not even close... and that is a very weak link since they paid for healthcare and are only expecting it due to their own contributions.
