I am not sure why I want us to fail, it feels like I only want it so I can say I told you we shouldn't have gone to war. BTW drummer, I am not BS this BBS knows this.
Not sure I agree that this individual is not already smiling as our young boys continue to die each day for a cause I absolutely do not support. Yes go to Iraq and disarm Sadaam, but leave him in power and make their own citizens spill their own blood for their freedom. If they are not willing to die for freedom, then why should our boys loose life for a gift they will never appreciate? If the Iraq people would fight for their own freedom, the death toll arguably would be in the millions. It would be a far greater blood bath then the "reported" ten thousand lives lost at the hands of the US forces. So pull our boys out and let Iraq handle their own business. I can't take anymore listening to the harmed egos of Middle Easterns, which is far greater important to them than the gift our young boys and US tax payers are giving these people.
Many democrats want the troops to fail because it increases the chances of them winning the next election. Just because you have felt the pain of a hate crim doesnt mean that you cant commit one. It's Not called treason when he is just trying to figure out why he has such feelings. Nor is it when he says it. Its treason when he starts something against a government. If he organizes a group with bombs and guns then he can be charged with treason... Just because he voiced his opinion does not make him a traitor.
Your problem is your views are disgusting. If you want Iran to acquire a nuclear weapon and the USSR tocome back then you are hoping for the success of totalitarianism. You suck.
A most inspiring speech. Hurts to think of what we could do and haven't done with that as a starting point - it reads like a Hollywood movie ending rather than a speech a politician would make in real life. Still don't think much of him getting us more deeply involved in Vietnam, Bay of Pigs, or the Cuban Missile Crisis.
ahemmm please click here... be civil or go home Breaking faces doesn't exactly lead to worthwhile dialog, now does it? This guy just seems frutrated and confused. he has been presented with one side of an arguement, doesn't agree with it and has flipped to the extreme other side. BB, you should check out moveon.org They are actively seeking to bring change to US policy now, and help bring a new President in 2004.
I hope that other muslims in this country don't share your dim-headed, traitorous view. As a citizen of this country, you don't have to like the policies of the government, but openly wishing for the Iranians to acquire a nuke is ridiculous as well as wishing enslavement for millions of Russians by the comeback of the awful USSR, as evil a nation as Nazi Germany or Japan ever wished they were. Did it ever occur to you that nuke can and possibly will be used against your fellow Americans, our troops in the field? Guess not, did it. Either love this country or leave it.
Great post, Lil. Excellent points again. Say what you want about Kennedy and Kipling, but dudes knew how to write beautifully!
What is your problem? Your problem is that you are advocating the defeat of YOUR own country by military means. This is your land as well, so show some loyalty. You may not agree with the war in Iraq, but don't ever advocate situations that would be deterimental to the security of your own country. That my friend is high treason.
Your problem is that, with all due respect, you are screwed up in your head. Anyone who wants Iran to acquire a nuclear weapon is either stupid or evil, or both. The good thing is that you are reflecting and trying to understand why you think the way you do. May I ask WHY you would want Iran to acquire a nuclear weapon.
dude you are just WRONG. BBnP4l started with the assumption that certain elements of American foreign policy are promoting ill will and misery throughout the muslim world and inducing within himself shame and disgust. Now some of you might not feel this way, but i'd think it's safe to say that BBnP4l's opinion is shared by many other Americans, and certainly many many people around the world. And if you oppose the policy, why can't you hope that it fails? I hope every day that America is booted out of the Middle East, because our skewed policy there is simply an insidious immoral influence. And whatever it takes to kick us out, whether it be Iranian nukes, or too many of our boys coming home in bodybags, or another OPEC embargo against America, in the end the outcome will almost certainly still be better than what we have now. And whatever suffering we may incur in the mean time, we have only ourselves to blame. The politicians in this country have hijacked public opinion and national policy, and are presently using it to commit injustice, promote hatred throughout the region. I am powerless to stop this, so I look abroad for solutions. It's that simple. A choice between two evils. In augmenting the power of our enemy, we may counterbalance the evil within our own system. Sounds reasonable to me. There is nothing fundamentally wrong about Iran getting nukes. We've got some, so why can't they? If Iraq had them, we would have been spared this war and won't be in this quagmire and certainly won't be the #1 enemy of the world right now. The only reason we have to live in fear today is because this stupid administration chose to make Muslims around the world our enemy, rather than engage and bolster the reformers within their nations and win the hearts of their people. A dose of mutual deterrence is precisely what's called for here. Maybe it'll put some sense back in the mindless bullies that run our establishment and teach them to know better than to ride roughshod over the feelings of 1.4 billion people. I love America, because I know exactly what it stands for. I hate American foreign policies today, because it has deviated from this shining path of righteousness. Whatever it takes get America back on this path, Iranian nuke or another president, I'll support. If you feel differently, well that's your opinion. But if you want to call me or anyone else who shares my opinion a traitor, well you can kiss my a$$.
Azadre, If we fail, the Iraqi people and arguably those in the region will remain decades behind the rest of the world. Democracy will have to wait until the masses there decide they are willing to pay the price themselves, and that could be a longtime coming. Mixed in with self-serving needs, such as self-defense, was also concern for the Iraqi people and their future. The Administration may not be the ones who felt strongest about this, but in Congress and the People of this country, it was definitely a way to acquire the public support to go to war. Some would say that's manipulative, but there were no exagerrations about how horrible the Iraqi regime was. So let the US get their job done spending our soldier's lives and billions of dollars rebuilding Iraq and helping them with a constitution and democratic government. Help the Iraqi people, in the meantime, deal with their humiliation that it took an occupying force to rid them of saddam. Help Muslims in general deal with the racism/historical hypersensitivity against non-Muslims ... that it is somehow a bigger issue that it's non-Muslims occupying their country (I don't hear cries from the Muslim community for non-Muslims to leave Bosnia). As for Iran, the argument that 'we have them, so they should be able to have them' is comical. Many other countries will never need them because the US has them. The only ones that feel they 'need' them now are countries who fear US action...for a reason. They are presently a threat to world stability and security. Pray for the Iranian reformists. And finally, tell your friends that our country has screwed-up many times overseas, over decades. They would do their country a service to not just believe that our leaders are beyond reproach. Explain the history of Iran and the US, for instance. Ask them to do a search on 'Mossadegh'. Ask if the shoe was on their foot, how would they feel? Madeline Albright: http://www.ptnpa.org/IranPistachio.htm But that common ground has sometimes been shaken by other factors. In 1953, the United States played a significant role in orchestrating the overthrow of Iran's popular Prime Minister Mohammed Mossadegh. The Eisenhower Administration believed its actions were justified for strategic reasons; but the coup was clearly a setback for Iran's political development. And it is easy to see now why many Iranians continue to resent this intervention by America in their internal affairs. Moreover, during the next quarter century, the United States and the West gave sustained backing to the Shah's regime. Although it did much to develop the country economically, the Shah's government also brutally repressed political dissent. As President Clinton has said, the United States must bear its fair share of responsibility for the problems that have arisen in U.S.-Iranian relations. Even in more recent years, aspects of U.S. policy towards Iraq during its conflict with Iran appear now to have been regrettably shortsighted, especially in light of our subsequent experiences with Saddam Hussein.
You do have a point. All the nations currently pursuing nukes right now DO fear US action. But not because they are threats to world stability, but because they, like many many nations around the world recognise the US as the only major perpetrator of aggression in the past decade, with ever more jingoistic tendencies. To them, AMERICA is the threat to world stabiltiy and security. Their pursuit of nukes is the REACTION to instability instigated by US policy, not the CAUSE. America CHOSE to be the policeman of the world when it instituted the NPT. When the police can no longer serve its function of keeping order, delivering justice and preserving the peace, the people naturally look to rogues for defense or take up arms themselves. Look at India and Pakistan. Do they fear US invasion? I don't think so. They have pursued nukes because the world order has proven unable to resolve their security problems. When the strong are not just, and the weak are not secure, then it's only a matter of time before all hell breaks loose.
That's right. The regimes in North Korea, Iran and the late Iraqi, are all wonderful and democratic and good for their peoples and never support terrorism or threaten to sell nukes or threaten their neighbors or anything else bad. Only the US is bad.
You're the one that said "The ONLY ones that feel they 'need' them now are countries who fear US action". Just point out that what you've said is simply untrue. I never said ONLY the US is bad. I merely pointed to a worldwide perception (one which is widely reported in the press) that the US is JUST AS BAD, if not worse, than the rest of the world's rogue states, and our enemies certainly feel this way. You're reading too much into my writing, that's all.
