For it to be used they would have to make another deal to open a roster spot or cut someone .... Just cant see it happening now. Seems everyone is waiting on the first dominoe to fall , thats likely DraMelo.
Not only would they have to cut someone but whoever they get with the DPE, it would cost them double since they are over the LT. Anybody worth double is not going to be traded for salary relief.
What you said basically with all that was. Blah blah blah blah blahhh blahh. Courtney Lee rubbish backup no minutes blahh. Ariza starter quality guy who leads us to more wins than Battier will at the same spot blahh. Better team with Ariza blahh. Stats.. Then blah bad for good player from Rockets swap. Is that what you were getting at?
Thats cool. I break it down much simpler without fancy stats or Morey fan speak. Here we go real simple jist of Lee vs Ariza bad trade... Ariza good Lee bad Ariza starter Lee Backup Ariza playing Lee not Ariza creates wins Lee on bad Rockets team Insert stats below ........... Not needed.
I know Morey likes to keep us in suspense, but this isn't cool. Only a few hours left, make a move already!
Not at all. Is that really an example of your reading comprehension? In that case, I'll break it down for people that can't be bothered with analysis. Lee is nearly as effective as Ariza. Ariza is on a team with no depth at SF, and so starts. Lee is on a team backing up a better player than Ariza, and so is a backup. Ariza is on a team with a healthy Chris Paul, which accounts for the difference in wins. Lee is on what is essentially the same team as last year with similar results. See stats above. That and, oh yeah, Lee makes about a third of what Ariza makes.
Except I could care less about money unless it means wins or positive direction. Never cared how much money it saved Les Alexander for this season to trade Ariza away. Especially if it has no correlation with wins or good basketball decisions for making a move later. Which hasnt been proved that either has happened in the Ariza for Lee trade. In summary bad trade for money saved to lose a few more games. With no basketball court result other than to save Les Alexander some money.
So with that r****ded logic, you would rather have chuck as your starting center over someone like marcin gortat. Because guess what, he didn't start for quit e a while /gasp. Your argument made no sense. Trevor alston most likely wouldntbe starting on the rockets this year.
If you didn't like my fan speak or Morey stats, then you're not going to like this chart either: :grin: Anyway, you should care how much money Morey saves with good basketball moves if you're a fan of the Rockets and here's why. If we can have a player that produces about the same results on the court as another player, but earns less than half the other player's salary, then we have the freedom to upgrade other players even further. Whether that freedom has amounted to an actual upgrade by now or not shouldn't matter. The point is that the freedom is there (exactly the same reason we filed for a DPE when Yao went out and then watched it expire Monday night). No matter how little you care about our franchise's cost of operations, the actual owner will have some limit he is willing to pay before he isn't willing to pay any more. At that point, he stops spending more money, which essentially means we stop getting better as a team UNLESS we're able to pay less for the same production. So if we can get roughly the same kind of production and better efficiency out of a player for less money, then we do that. It means that the owner now has more freedom to bring in more costly and better players than what we currently have. Which is what DM is trying to do right up until the trade deadline.
Who is Marcin Gortat? The guy Morey is in love with and has shown nothing in the NBA to date? Courtney Lee is not a guy off the bench with starting potential. He is half the player Ariza is. There is no debate here. Courtney Lee at no time was a better than a 6ft 7 SF who can play guard at times. Never in his career. It was a horrible move and horrible step back. The team is under 500 with Lee not contributing anything to it. NOTHING.
Thats fan speak until it happens. Illusions of money savings to get you a big time player until it happens. You know what package could have gotten you a bigtime player? A guy you can throw away for a rental to get Carmelo here and not worry if he signed or not? The result would have had the same outcome as the not showing up like Courtney Lee has? Trevor Ariza and Aaron Brooks for Carmelo Anthony.. Trevor Ariza for Carmelo straight up with Bud and Hill thrown in. Thats could have gotten you something right now without having to give up Kevin Martin or Luis Scola. That Trevor Ariza for Courtney Lee. Just cost you Scola, Martin, or Brooks or a few of them in trade to get someone like Carmelo, Okafor, Wallace, anyone big time here. All to have Courtney Lee and save money instead. Now there is no Ariza, Courtney isnt good, you will have to instead give up one of these other guys instead of Ariza to get that bigtime player. -No 1st round draft pick Morey waisted on TWill -No Ariza -Gonna take two starters to make a deal now -It wont be Ariza we lose in that deal instead or 1st rounder -Will have to made up with existing players of which Courtney Lee isnt enough to make any deals with. -but Ariza a starter would have been enough Instead of Courtney Lee for Ariza? You could have had Danny Granger or Gerald Wallace for Ariza and Brooks. Now its gonna hurt.
Well, if you at all subscribe to the school clamoring for a run at 2012 free agents like Dwight Howard, Chris Paul or Deron Williams, trading Ariza for Lee essentially opened up as much as $7.26M in additional cap room. (Not saying that I agree with that approach. But it is what it is.) You do realize that the NBA has this thing called a "salary cap" and that trading away high-dollar players for lower-dollar players of similar caliber is a GOOD thing when it comes to managing this "salary cap," right? Judging from your rather disrespectful retort to RedDragon's attempt to reason with you, I'm not holding my breath that any of this will sink in with you. Agree to disagree. It's better than insulting a guy for making an earnest attempt to back up his point.
Trevor Ariza and Courtney Lee are not of similar caliber players in any alternate universe known to man.
Neither was the strategy to keep Tmac. Nor was it to not trade for Amare Stoudemire when the opportunity arose.
1-28-11: 30min 19pt 17reb 1blk 8-13FG 1-30-11: 23min 25pt 11reb 2blk 9-10FG 7-7FT In Pheonix he has been averaging 10/7 and a block on 58% shooting in only 24 minutes. Courtney Lee PER = 11.4 Trevor Ariza PER = 11.2 You said Ariza can play guard sometimes so I just think you are clueless about what is really going on. He can't dribble or shoot the ball.
Its common knowledge without numbers that Ariza is better. I thought it would be obvious. As usual Morey has you guys using useless stats again. A habit that has formed this ugly one dimensional team with no defense based on Per, +/-, sabermetrics, Hollinger stats that mean nothing in actual game of basketball half the time when judging players actual ability to effect the team and its needs. Use your stats. I will be back again when the next game is played. Lets divvy up those awesome Courtney Lee stats in the next game. Then if the next trade is awesome? Morey can get his gold medal and cake. Until he does something which he has not. I am not a cake and cookies guy for not just average. Below average results. Below mediocre stats and arguments to bring at me as your stances. Blow the borderline for playoff contending teams. Almost completely rebuilding and near borderline really bad team with a little hustle to hide the real record and product. I am not here to lie to myself as a fan. I can cheer but not lie to myself and ignore things.
