What is Kevin's trade value and would you even deal him?

A late lottery pick?

 

There isn't one player on the Rockets that Morey wouldn't trade for a skilled shot blocker, as long as they were healthy and in their prime.

 

Hahahaha

You guys talk about Martin, like you did about Brooks last year. He is an above avg. role player who specializes in scoring. If a trade comes up that could land you a young talent with potential to be a stud, you have to trade martin in a heart beat!!

Example:
Kevin Martin for Micheal Beasley and Nikola Pekovic, would be great trade for the Rockets, it balances out the roster, and gives us a possible young star talent in Beasley.

 

I don't know about Beasley

 

Martin's too efficient of a scorer, if he had a post presence to defer to then he would be even more efficient. I think Beasley and Pekovic can be had in a package with Scola as the centerpiece...

 

1. Like I said, I would be hesitant to trade Martin for future draft considerations. The reason is that the value of "top 5 picks" is not set, but rather based on who is actually in the draft and available at the time. I wouldn't trade him for some random high pick without knowing exactly who we are getting back. That is very different from saying for instance, trading him for the 6th pick in 2006 to draft Brandon Roy. Or trading up for Chris Paul/Deron Williams in 2005 draft. I have faith in Morey and co's ability to identify franchise level talent, so that if we do trade up it won't be for a "top 5 pick" but rather a specific player.

2. My point is that you will never get established superstars like DH or Durant or Rose for Martin, so there is no point in wanting to. He is a very nice player but far from a franchise player. And that is our biggest need. While I wouldn't actively shop Martin and would be fine with keeping him, he is probably our best shot at a potential franchise player in the draft. And while he certainly is good value as a player, he obviously wasn't THAT hard to find when we basically got him for our backup 4. I guess that speaks more about Morey's ability as a GM than Martin's scarcity. Point still stands, since Morey is still here.

 

not unless we get a star player in return which is unlikely. kevin martin is the only player that gets superstar calls. plus, he has a sweet jumper and is a good player. what we need is another star next to him. i know a lot of people have given up on yao, but i really wish he would come back and sign for a vet minimum. i know, it sounds like false hope but at least it's some hope.

 

A slow recovering Yao costing us games at first is the problem. He's done and out.. You realize it's like Yao from early 2002 right? I dunno what it is with this guy but he's just so slow coming back...

 

Those guys were not drafted by Morey.

Morey wanted to trade up to draft Cousins. So far Cousins still looks to have the potential to be a superstar. Morey wanted to trade up to draft Patterson. He was lucky he still got him at #14. Patterson looks to be at least a very good starter, maybe even a star. If Morey gets his hands on a top 5 pick, I have confidence that he can pick an all star type guy, and if lucky, maybe a franchise player.

BTW, we are in the lottery. We still have a chance to win a top 3 pick.

 

I understand what you are saying but where are we going to get a good center? They just seem really hard to come by. I guess our best bet is the draft our hope we get Dwight Howard. I just don't know about all this Marc Gasol talk. I know we need size but he's just not worth it if we have to sign him to a fat contract. We would be better off just getting some young talent and completely rebuild.

 

Martin is a much better offensive player than Brooks.

 

The question is which lottery team would want Martin? I don't really see teams like GSW, Minny, Cleveland, Utah or Toronto giving up their pick for Martin and Houston's #14 pick. It will take much more IMO.

 

We need his freethrow attacking ability.

 

Martin is the 3rd best offensive SG in the game today behind Wade and Kobe. Although his defense leaves something to be desired, you can afford to have a guy like him if your PG (check), C (iffy) and PF (nope) can play good D to pick up the slack.

Ray Allen on the Celtics is the current model that proves without a doubt that you can win with a player like Martin who is a pure shooter and offensive juggernaut while leaving something to be desired on the other end. I have no doubt in my mind that Martin, at 12M per year, is an important component to a championship team.

If you trade someone of Martin's caliber for somebody better, you'd still in essence be robbing Peter to pay Paul. Most guys better than Martin are untouchable, and none of them play the same position.

I'll say it a lot during the offseason, but the three players I view as keepers are Lowry, Martin, and Patterson. The rest you've got some attachment to; they're good players (like Dragic, Lee, Hayes) that contribute a lot to this team, but if someone comes calling while dangling a greater talent then you do what you have to, and that might mean dealing one of these guys.

One thing I love about Morey, and something that I think he's learned over the course of this year, is that it will not suffice on a championship contending team to have too many one-way players. You need as much balance as possible to be able to withstand some of the weaknesses inherent in your best players. For Yao Ming, it was to have that rebounding, enforcer-type PF next to him to keep other teams' front lines in check and not fouling Yao too hard. For T-Mac, it was to have a PG that could catch and shoot without needing the ball too much. In both cases we acquired the pieces to do this (Landry and Brooks) too late to make a dent in our chances to win it all in the Yao T-Mac era. Now that they're both gone, we've got to revert to balance to figure out what our next era will be. Lowry, Patterson, and Lee have gone a long way towards making this a reality. I don't want to rag on Scola too much here, but he's the worst pick-and-roll defender in the NBA right now and we might be wise to sell high on him while our search for a superstar continues.

In the meantime, no you do not trade Martin, you get fix the other defensive deficiencies in this team first, because at those positions (SF PF C) the offense brought to the table, while above average, is not nearly enough to make up for it.

 

If ur team want to win, u must trade Martin

 

Was following you up until about Beasley..

 

I hate how some close games Martin costs us games by traveling. Good player, but I wouldn't mind giving Terrence a shot. Bundle him with some players. I'd keep him if we get Yao Ming back.

 

ROFLMAO at Beasley being a future young star. For as much as people bash ESPN, they sure like to just take the first pronouncements they make on a player and just follow it from there.

 

You move him for a young talented SF with a filler... But who is there right now? Wilson Chandler... Restricted FA.. Batum... They're not letting him go. I can't really think of others.

 

That's right.

The Bucks traded their lottery pick for Tractor Traylor.

The Hornets traded their lottery pick for Vlade Divac.

The Celtics traded their lottery pick for Ray Allen.

It has been done plenty of times before, so we will just have to find the right suitor. It might not be this year. It might not be next year. That might be because the right lottery team didn't want Martin in those years, or it might be because the right rookie wasn't there for us to trade up for. That might be tough to swallow for Rocket fans, but patience might be the name of the game now.

We won't be dumping good players for trash, so we will most likely tread water, improve incrementally, maybe get that above average center to fill that hole, and bide our time before an opportunity opens up one of these years and finally trade up to get our guy when the teams and picks and players all line up.