Gayness is, agreed. I'm for acceptance and letting people decide for themselves, kinda. About the kids - Closeted gayness: Its closeted because of the influence of society to NOT be open with it. Suppress it and suck it up. There's LEARNED behaviorial norms to live a "straight" person's life. Couldnt open freely accepted gayness have a bit of the same influential effects on straights? I argue that a "straight" person's mind (the kids) is equally impressionable to learn gay behavior as it is in reverss (or at least gays faking for a while). And a straight person's young mind doesnt have any ramped-up protection from learning gay type behavior. We can see not outright gay but slightly feminized influence like this on males from single mother raised households. If gay is okay and all rights being equal, a gay couple can teach gayness to their child. Its just if people overall think its okay or not...
Thanks Bucman55. Also thanks MadMax and Rocketsjudoka for the explanations, MUCH appreciated. As a general note, the only thing I care to address in LSD's post is that I never ever said that homosexuality is the downfall of society and I, in fact, calrified in the post before his exactly what I mean. To clarify one more time, all my comment was alluding to is that the downfall of society is the seperationg of a person from a family, a family from the community, communities from the society, society from the leaders of the country and the country from the world. LSD, the above paragraph is not direcetd at you. It is for everyone else. As far as you're concerned, please go on thinking that I said homosexuality is the downfall of society. Thanks.
And what exactly does your "downfall of society" theory have to do with this topic? I mean, a good way to seperate a family from their community is to tell them they can't become a family in the first place. So it would now seem that you support gay marriage and allowing gay couples to raise a family.
I think the biggest problem with the acceptance of the Gay culture has been more about the irrational, completely bigoted, unjust hatred of homosexuality by the religious right. Also the overall perception of homosexuality as a negative being introduced into a child's psyche from early grade school. As Gay became more and more mainstream, so did Gay-Bashing. I grew up thinking a homosexual was an evil person who was doomed by God to die of AIDS. I found out what Gay was and I didn't know anything about it other than it was "against God" according to my parents and it was "uncool" according to my junior high acquiantences. Lets face it, it IS a psychological thing even if scientific evidence does support a genetic theory. It may not be the main reason people are gay, but it probably the most important factor. If you explore Freud you can see why his summaries about sexuality being driving force behind human behavior were very much accepted in the psychological world. There is pressure on a man from the day he grew up in the era of the modern age of American lifestyle. He is expected to succeed professionally, settle down with a nice girl, and have his 2 and a half kids with the white picket fence. Early childhood development. Political socialization. Men who had gay tendencies were to suppress them even if it meant suicide. For years Gay was a taboo nobody could risk. We seem to be seeing more and more people come out these days. I think it could be something developed in early childhood stages. But determining factors are impossible to distinguish for just how a young child could suddenly "develop" homosexual tendencies. Chomsky had many theories that explain how children learn things. Children learn amazing things at such a young age, some say it was because they had a clean slate, Chomsky disagreed. Chomsky noted how children can be taught to learn any language on earth and it is almost as if just being in a household setting that is able to nurture their brains. Children can grow up in a multi-lingual home where parents speak 5 or 6 different languages and can still somehow learn to distinguish them and use them properly. An adult would have incredible difficulty doing this. Now there may be some sort of a "manual or guide" that is implanted in their brains. Maybe from genetics, maybe its just part of the human mind. Nobody knows. However, I think it shows us that things ARE implanted in our brains. We are not clean slates, there is at least some sort of loose set of broad rules out there that can be unlocked in our minds. There is something that makes us tick. Makes us unique individually, makes us express ourselves in different ways. Genetics? perhaps. Psychological factors? perhaps. Whatever it is, it would be interesting to know.
you don't think a kid that is being raised by 2 gay parents will wonder why he/she doesn't have a mom and dad like most other kids? btw.....some of the meanest SOB's I have ever met come from single mother raised homes. ancedotal....indeed. just sayin.
I'm sure they will. So will children raised by one or two parents that are older or younger than other parents. Most children will have questions about how mom and dad got together. Why does that matter? Having questions about parents isn't a bad thing.
On the pr0n thingie that you touched (that's what she said) in the opening post, sir... I think that the "girl-on-girl" scenes for these films are more "widely accepted" as not gay because it is more appealing to the mass of majority of video watchers out there: men. I think that because it's mostly men that are attracted to watching video, it's not seen as "gay" to have girl-on-girl scenes. "Heterosexual" MEN like to watch two women. "Gay" women like to watch two women. "Gay" men like to watch two men. I don't know about gay men wanting to watch two women, though I have no research, no scientific data... it' my opinion based on some time spent working as a clerk at a family-owned video store with a "regular" section and a "little room" section.
yes, I did, because it doesn't matter whether the parents are homosexual or heterosexual, the children will still have questions. If the parents have no shame and are not made to feel shame by people around them, then there should be no problem in answering those questions, and the children won't feel any shame. It doesn't matter if the children have questions about their parents being different or in the minority of other parents. That isn't bad for children. It doesn't matter.
That's kind of the nature of comparisons; you compare one thing to something different, not to itself. You also didn't answer FB's question: why does it matter if children have questions about their parents being different?
I'm not saying anything goes. I'm saying having questions isn't reason to think something is bad and shouldn't be allowed. You are trying to use kids as having questions being a reason to look down on same sex parents. I'm just saying it doesn't matter. The only problem is when people tell the kids that there is something wrong with same sex parents, when there shouldn't be any shame in it. I never tried to claim that anything goes. Certainly that isn't true. Having two loving parents regardless of their sex should go, and shouldn't be a bad thing even if there are questions that will be asked and answered. Kids don't need to be taught that same sex marriages are wrong. Either the children will be attracted to the same sex and want that for themselves, or they will be attracted to the opposite sex, and won't want that for themselves. Some things nature takes care of, and parental management and instruction isn't needed. Parents can get involved in teaching respect, empathy, compassion, dignity, and self respect in regards to relationships, and that will carry through no matter the children end up being attracted to. But I didn't need anyone to teach me to be attracted to the opposite sex. It just happened naturally. Parents don't need to try and teach attraction to children.
I'm actually using the childs birthrights that have been stolen from him/her as a reason to look down on homosexual parents.
lol..its why I've always stayed away from gay discussion. Just leads to and unending string of question upon question upon grey area... Screwball straights meant bad examples of straight. I WANT to be as absolute as what you what said actually. I dont WANT exception to be the rule, too much cheating with that.... All things equal: woman > 2 men All things not equal: nice gay male couple > child molesting psycho straight woman (unless she's a teacher)
Birthrights? What birthrights are you talking from, and where are these rights guaranteed? A child with two loving parents doesn't automatically miss out on any birthrights just because those parents are of the same sex.
Yeah there's always exceptions. There are single mothers that do a good job not emasculating their sons. Some of those meanies have bitterness from the neglect of lacking a stabilizing father figure and then take their anger to the "streets". But forget that topic, lets stay on gay! As it stands NOW, Yes - Adopted kids wonder who their biological parents are already. Single parent raised kids wonder who or where the other parent is. Kids can sense stuff like that. As it can stand possibly stand in its EXTREME -moestavern had some agreeable points about the psychological upbringing. If society decides we are a completely universally gay and bisexual society and there's NO taboo about it anymore, guess what - the kids will become that too. It'll be a kid saying I got raised by 2 hairy ass dudes but so did my third cousin so oh well we're all in it...AGAIN its up to the people if they want that. What prevented YOU and us from being gay or bi ourselves? Our parents and society not teaching it to us. Thats it. We could EASILY all be bisexuals with NO GUILT...I think the worst that comes out of that isnt complete decimation of society, more like the negative annoying stereotypical issues you see in the gay community X 5- a bunch of identity crisises, confusion about picking a side, inner turmoils, personal demons, projecting of low self image, emotional distress, drama queening, spreading of STDs, people just making each other more miserable. All confusing sh** we dont have to have. Especially since mother nature has its own preferences already Wrapping up my big college term paper conclusion on this and I'm done (gosh is this crap gay people have to think about daily? goodness...) When people write fictional stories 99% of the time there's never a gay character. Do we GOTTA change that? Michael Jackson has his justifications to sleep in the same bed with young children, but...even if he has a point do we GOTTA consider that kinda precedent for others? Just like we want people to speak English cuz its standard, straightness should be the recommended standard. End.
so, what do you tell a child, (adopted by a gay couple) that states he no longer wishes to be raised by them. He wants to have a mother and a father? "The ultimate result in a society which embraces indiscriminate sexual activity is sobering. Anthropologist J.D. Unwin conducted an exhaustive study of the eighty-six civilizations which have existed in the history of the world. Each culture has reflected a similar life cycle, beginning with a strict code of sexual conduct and ending with the demand for complete ‘freedom’ to express individual passion. Unwin reports that every society which extended sexual permissiveness to its people was soon to perish. There have been no exceptions." Pitirim Sorokin studied cultures spanning several thousand years on several continents, and found that “virtually no society has ceased to regulate sexuality within marriage as defined as the union of a man and a woman, and survived” everytime gay marriage has been put in front of the people, it's been rejected. my parents and society are supposed to teach me gay and bi?
