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What is fascism?

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by StupidMoniker, Apr 22, 2023.

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What is fascism?

  1. Everything within the state, nothing against the state, nothing outside of the state

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  2. Little or no interference from the government in the lives of citizens

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  3. Capitalism, including the mixed economy seen in the United States today

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  4. Libertarianism

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  1. fchowd0311

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    That is a definition that has no differentiation between any other type of authoritarian system.
     
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  3. StupidMoniker

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    Of course there is. A communist system would be a dictatorship of the proletariat. A monarchy would have a king or queen as the authoritarian leader with a system of nobles underneath them. A feudal system would be a specific type of monarchy with serfs working the lands for the nobles who provide a military for the king. A theocracy would be a nation under the control of the church. Of course there are similarities between them, because they are all authoritarian systems. Fascism is collective, which makes it different than feudalism. Even though both are authoritarian. Fascism is explicitly religious, marking it as very distinct from the athiest Marxist-Leninist USSR. The very point of fascism was a rejection of the enlightenment and liberalism. That's why it is silly to call anything centered on individualism, individual rights, freedom, etc. fascist. It is the exact opposite. None of those doctrines but fascism is based on the concept of the State as the be all and end all. You will never see a socialist or a monarchist or a libertarian supporting the idea "Everything within the state, nothing against the state, nothing outside of the state."
    Microsoft Word - The Doctrine of Fascism.doc (sjsu.edu)
    The guy who was the first fascist dictator lays it all out for you.
     
  4. AroundTheWorld

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    It's hilarious how confused and uneducated @fchowd0311 is.
     
  5. fchowd0311

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    It's a read I'm confident everyone who I want to read it will not. I'm sorry I brought a woke source into this but hey if anyone is curious go ahead and take the plunge.
     
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  6. fchowd0311

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    This is the part I don't get. Why do you feel entitled to others believing that when people like you wax lyrical about individual liberty, it's the same version of "individual liberty" that reasonable people with basic empathy skills possess believe? We see how drastic the meaning of words are from poster to poster.

    If the leading American Neo-Nazis of American history can wax lyrical about individual liberty, why the **** should one automatically be like "he can't be a fascist, he said the word "individual liberty!".
     
  7. fchowd0311

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    This paragraph also shows how vapid your definitions are.

    A system of centralized rule where everything is part of the state is generic authorarianism.

    It also shows the lack of intellectual curiosity. When understanding ideologies especially from future autocrat leaders like Mussolini a study of their radicalization for example is transition from being a leftist to a radical right revolutionary that got a lot of reactionary WW1 vets on his side is a key aspect of understanding these type of ideologies. And keep in mind literature from someone like Marx is academic literature. It's literature based on someone being intellectually curious about economic systems. With people like Mussolini, their writing isn't that. It's propaganda. It's meant to rile a base to his cause.

    You keep on showing that you want a useless definition of these ideologies only based in what all authoritarian regimes do in terms of tactics to maintain power like suppress criticism, mle sure all economic ventures directly benefit the autocrat and his circle etc.

    You will not address the ideological component of fascism because it forces you to face uncomfortable truths that are similar to your ideology like a strong belief in social hierarchies and a strong belief in social darwinism.
     
  8. Sweet Lou 4 2

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    Fascism is an opportunistic political movement. It's always rooted in a broken people at a low point finding a scapegoat for their problems, one delivered by a charismatic narcissistic leader who seeking incredible power at any expense.

    This person wants total power, and achieves it by manipulating that discontentment a group feels against other groups. He instills a sense of pride via nationalism, and gets people to adore him to the point of worship, so much so they will gladly give up rights to appease him..

    Trying to compare fascism to other ideologies is nonsensical. It's its own thing.

    The MAGA movement certainly meets all those criteria, so I'd say it's a pretty dangerous movement. It has a cult like leader that is near worship, it has enemies it blames all its problems on, it's extremely nationalistic, and the willingness to give up rights to achieve end results.

    But I am not seeing fascism with other groups.
     
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    This is fascism. From the left.
     
  11. fchowd0311

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    No that isn't. Here let's play a game.

    What is the difference between authorarianism and fascism?
     
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    And also does that imply the United States was living in a fascist state from 1947 - 1987 under the fairness doctrine?
     
  14. fchowd0311

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    Is that why you go on your knees for government officials like DeSantis targeting private corporations for social views publicly stated?
     
  15. AroundTheWorld

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    When you read @fchowd0311's posts, you get a sense of how much he would love to go after people he doesn't understand or whom he disagrees with (basically everyone who isn't a confused left-wing extremist, like he is).

    Mussolini and @fchowd0311 - very very closely aligned ideologically.

    Mussolini defined fascism as being a left-wing collectivistic ideology in opposition to socialism, liberalism, democracy and individualism.
     
  16. AroundTheWorld

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    He starts out fine:

    The rest of the article is just confused babble.
     
  17. fchowd0311

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    When I read your posts I see someone who follows right wing news bubbles and gets into decade long fads of "who is the next outgroup that I should hate for merely existing". It was Muslims during the post 9/11 "war on terrorism" era and now it's "the woke agenda".


    You simply do not have any avenue to discuss the definition of "fascism" because you will only go surface level of just using labels. You will never have a discussion of motivations, intent, the economic and social services that were around at the time that pushed people towards a mindset. This is beyond your scope. What you have is "Mussolini says leftist, therefore leftist".
     
  18. AroundTheWorld

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    I don't hate anyone. You are projecting.
     
  19. fchowd0311

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    Yes Libertarianism as profressed by self labeled libertarians wax lyrical about individual liberty just like George Lincoln Rockwell did.

    The concept of "freedom" is a nebulous term that every human sees as a positive so to claim that libertarians hold the unique view of loving freedom" shows how vapid the Libertarian ideology is.

    The Americans who profress Libertarianism are essentially people who appreciate the current social and economic hierarchies that exist.

    There is a reason why pretty much most of my right wing friends and peers I've been around for the past decade 4 years ago would constantly post that meme of that redneck leaning on a truck with some phrase about "I believe everyone has a right to guns, weed and gay marriage" and now constantly post memes ******** on trans people.

    That, that right there is the Libertarian to fascist pipeline in practice right before my eyes.
     
  20. fchowd0311

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    Yes you hate people. You hate a lot of people. No one spends hours and hours and hours on a internet NBA team fan message board b****ing about Muslims and trans people and not hate those people.
     

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