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What is Falun Gong and why is China cracking down on it?

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout' started by HayesStreet, Sep 7, 2002.

  1. Panda

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    Rocket2k:

    Sorry if I didn't make myself clear, I was actually talking in general, not specifically to you. So I actually didn't mean to accuse you for anything. Plz don't feel unpleasant about my previous post.

    On Amnesty International, to me it's not in America's pockets that's for sure. However, as a human right organization it's susceptible to fall, IMO, to influences that often use freedom and human rights as an excuse to cover up their objectives. Sympathy and support are often lended to those appeal to freedom and human rights without scrutiny and prudence. How I know it, well, this is nothing new, from the way they support Falun Gong. I wonder when is the last time Amnesty International supported any government's crackdown on cults. I surely never heard of it.

    BTW, since you are digesting the links provided here, plz be careful with the link provided in the first post, which is www.fofg.org. I visited that site, and I found nothing substantial on their background. Here is what they basically say:

    "Friends of Falun Gong is comprised of ordinary citizens who are independent of Falun Gong. FoFG is also free of political and religious affiliation.
    Friends of Falun Gong is a Not-For-Profit Corporation registered in the State of New York."

    I don't know how can a corportation be non profit, seems contradictory to me, and their vague background sets off alerts in me as well.

    Just my two cents.
     
  2. Panda

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    To answer your question, 1. The extreme personal worship by millions of FLG members to their leader Li Hong Zhi is a great unstablizing factor to the society and the current regime, if it keeps rolling Falun Gong will one day gain enough power into making China a THEOCRACY. Backward mediaeval politics that propogates ideas of no medication during illness sends chills down my spine than some communist badasses. For example, under the theocracy of Dalai Lama in Tibet before 1949, there was nothing modern, including educational and transportation system in Tibet. Seriously I will take up weapon and fight if that day is going to come. 2. The practices that Li Hong Zhi promotes is corrosive to the social fabric of China. Falun Gong members are often too indulged in their "meditating" and "going to paradise" as to the extent of being psychiatric and unpredictable, which makes them dangerous to the society.

    That's the best way I can put it from my point of view.
     
  3. HayesStreet

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    These are the same arguments the old Soviet Union used to continue controlling their populations choices. Those who oppose particular policies and rally in large groups are: hooligans, criminals, psychotics/mentally unbalanced, engaging in superstition/religion.

    I will say that I looked over the list of sites Panda provided, some of which take each side of the debate, and that seems more than fair enough to allow people to make up their own minds. I don't know how anyone can read that stuff and come to the same conclusion as panda and michecon, although michecon is correct when he theorizes that you might not be as forcefully committed on the issue as myself.

    And panda, i still read your/michecon's posts, even though I think you're a little to quick to buy into the party line.
     
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    Through the prism of HS, these are actually quite kind words I will cherish. So Thanks.

    Just curious though, HS, you seem to be at odds with Islam, which you've made many claims about it; yet you are perfectly fine with FLG, a cult/"religion" encourages its members to set themselves on fire in order to get to the paradise (under the word of one person), among other things that have been pointed out. Now that FLG has demonstrated they are perfectly fine and capable of damaging state property, interfereing communication signal and other crimes in the name of their leader who appearantly has political interest, I'm not sure what will be next ...
     
  5. HayesStreet

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    Legitimate question, and I've been thinking about that myself. I think the evidence is substantially greater that Islam as practiced everywhere except the West really, is inherently violent and repressive. I am not convinced that is true with Falun Gong. For example, their protests seemed to be only to get their practice allowed again, not to take over the country. The 'group' does not condone nor advocate self immolation. The group does not require donations of personal wealth (as many cults do). They do not advocate 'memberships' as many cults do, nor do they advocate removing their members from normal society. The motive for Jiang to crackdown is at least plausible. The CCP leaders fear of groups gaining influence is a matter of record. The reasoning given by the CCP is almost the exact same reasoning they have given for other crackdowns (mentally unstable, criminals, hooligans, rapists etc).

    Oh, and as for the satellite stuff, I think that a group that is persecuted by a government that controls all media outlets, including the internet, has at least a legitimate argument to go guerilla on them.
     
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