I've seen people comment on how it takes Rudy gay 19 shots to get 20 points.. Etc.. That's one point per shot. I would think that it's pretty good. If a guy takes 10 shots to get 10 points. Isn't that efficient? 5/10 What do you base your efficiency on? What do you want to see? Lebron numbers from everyone? Or them playing relatively to their contracts? And no this is not about Rudy Gay. Just players in general.
FG% is bigger in my eyes than pts/shot. Free throw #s also skew that pts/shot so it's not exactly accurate as far as efficiency is concerned (i.e. someone could make 10/12 fts but only shoot 2/8fgs and total 14pts on 8fga).
People who hate a player would stay the guy is inefficient if he scored 20 points on 20 attempts and no free throws.
I read somewhere where the league average for entire teams is >1.00 pts per shot -- like 1.10 That said, I seriously doubt coaches really care about these box score stats, since they have scouts who can chart anything they want. Rudy used to base efficiency on the success of specific plays and possessions. That was more a matter of did it result in a good look or not. And that has a lot to do with the players on the floor who are in charge of execution. So, Coaches are more concerned about efficiency of the entire team to get a good look ... because that is their biggest thing a coach can affect. We as fans don't have advanced information about each possession, and we usually like stats to compare players against each other. So, we care more about Player A vs Player B.
For comparison Durant averages 1.6 points per 1 shot. Lebron 1.46 points per 1 shot. 20 points on 20 attempts with no freethrows is TS% 50. Only Washington got worse TS% as a team(49.9).
why should free throws not count - getting to the line, getting the other team in foul trouble is a productive, positive activity for your team. I'd rather have Harden get to the line and draw teh foul than make a pull up 20 footer.
It's really accurate. I'd much rather someone have 14 on 8 FGA shooting 25% then someone scoring 8 on 8 shooting 50%.
One point per shot is efficient in a streetball game, but relative to other NBA players, it leaves a lot to be desired and takes away more efficient baskets from other team-mates.
I've never understood why exactly you multiply FTA by 0.44. What is the reason behind this? Who decided that is the proper way to quantify the value of free throws? I liken this to ESPN's QBR rating scale, which tries to quantify a QB's worth by weighing the value of plays based on the situation in the game (1st quarter TD vs. 4th quarter of close game, etc.). How can you possibly quantify that? How can you say that a touchdown at this moment of the game is worth 2x, 3x, 4x, another touchdown?
I look at overall efficiency. Shooting percentages are only a small piece to the puzzle. On a very off shooting night Lebron is more efficient than Kevin Martin on his best shooting night. He he can get others easy shots and he rebounds the ball. Even when he can't rack up big assist and rebound numbers, he limits the other team's scoring and is capable of making dificult shots at crucial moments of a game when their offense stalls. This era's fans have become so infatuated with simple shooting percentages that they've become arrogant enough to think they can pick and choose who's the "better" player on one stat or that they know more about basketball than respected tenured coaches.
Efficiency is useless if you dont play a lick of defense. Nash for years hovering around 50% FG shooting, 90% Free throw shooting, 40% 3point shooting and what does he have to show for it despite playing alongside Hall of Fame players like Dirk, Amare, Marion? Nothing
So let's say a player was 2-8 FG/FGA and 10-12 FT/FTA and they scored 14 points on 8 FGA shooting 25% like you suggested. You also have to realize that while the 12 FTA didn't technically count as shots, they do take up possessions. It's basically as if the guy shot the ball 14x (because in reality, he did). Sure, he was rewarded with free throws on 6 of those shots, and he did score the points from the line, but it is basically like scoring 14 points on 14 shots. Another player who shoots the ball 14x hits 7-14 and also scores 14 points. Yet his TS% would be 50% whereas the first player would be 52.7%. I just don't see how the first player is more efficient or valuable to his team. I realize that FT's are better in some ways because most players will score at a higher % from the line than they would shooting FG's, but I just don't feel like TS% is a great measure. I'm just offering my viewpoint, and maybe this isn't a good way to look at it, so please enlighten me if this is foolish thinking.
This is true, and something I didn't think about. Still not sure that it makes him "more efficient." Still don't know why FTA are multiplied by an arbitrary value of 0.44.
Efficiency in basketball is points scored per possession. Individually, you could find the points a player is responsible for and the possessions the player is responsible for (need to figure out how to divide up team possessions among the players which can be tricky) and then take the ratio. That's essentially what individual ORTG does. That's a general efficiency stat but its complicated to calculate. A simplified version just takes into account points scored, FGA, FTA, and turnovers. Its sometimes called PPP: PPP = pts / (fga + .44*fta + tov) Here are all the players who've played at least 500 minutes this season ranked by PPP: Code: [B]Rk Player Team PS PPP[/B] 1 chandler,tyson nyk C 1.195 2 novak,steve nyk PF 1.194 3 smith,greg hou C 1.181 4 korver,kyle atl SG 1.174 5 bonner,matt san PF 1.158 6 wright,brandan dal PF 1.153 7 durant,kevin okl SF 1.144 8 splitter,tiago san C 1.126 9 james,lebron mia SF 1.110 10 martin,kevin okl SG 1.110 11 collison,nick okl PF 1.090 12 leonard,kawhi san PF 1.086 13 koufos,kosta den C 1.080 14 webster,martell was PG 1.075 15 butler,jimmy chi SG 1.073 16 sefolosha,thabo okl SG 1.070 17 green,danny san SG 1.066 18 bosh,chris mia PF 1.065 19 anderson,ryan nor PF 1.064 20 dunleavy,mike mil SG 1.059 21 lopez,robin nor C 1.055 22 allen,ray mia SG 1.054 23 ibaka,serge okl PF 1.047 24 patterson,patric hou PF 1.043 25 battier,shane mia SF 1.042 26 parker,tony san PG 1.042 27 landry,carl gsw PF 1.038 28 dudley,jared pho SF 1.037 29 anthony,carmelo nyk SF 1.035 30 redick,j.j. orl PG 1.035 31 mcgee,javale den C 1.028 32 leonard,meyers por C 1.028 33 harden,james hou SG 1.026 34 calderon,jose det PG 1.024 35 paul,chris lac PG 1.021 36 faried,kenneth den PF 1.020 37 davis,ed na PF 1.019 38 hickson,j.j. por C 1.017 39 gallinari,danilo den PF 1.014 40 lopez,brook bro C 1.013 41 stevenson,deshaw atl SG 1.013 42 johnson,amir tor C 1.012 43 carroll,demarre uta SF 1.011 44 carter,vince dal SG 1.010 45 meeks,jodie lal SG 1.009 46 diaw,boris san PF 1.007 47 drummond,andre det C 1.007 48 jamison,antawn lal PF 1.006 49 foye,randy uta SG 1.005 50 wade,dwyane mia SG 1.001 51 terry,jason bos PG 1.001 52 kirilenko,andrei min SF 1.000 53 delfino,carlos hou SG 1.000 54 ellington,wayne cle PG 0.999 55 nash,steve lal PG 0.998 56 bryant,kobe lal SG 0.994 57 irving,kyrie cle PG 0.994 58 griffin,blake lac PF 0.993 59 matthews,wesley por SG 0.992 60 ilyasova,ersan mil PF 0.992 61 mason,roger nor SG 0.991 62 jordan,deandre lac C 0.990 63 pekovic,nikola min C 0.989 64 mayo,o.j. dal SG 0.989 65 duncan,tim san PF 0.989 66 young,thaddeus phi SF 0.987 67 nicholson,andrew orl PF 0.987 68 parsons,chandler hou SF 0.985 69 ginobili,manu san SG 0.985 70 green,willie lac SG 0.985 71 barnes,matt lac SF 0.982 72 davis,anthony nor PF 0.982 73 miller,mike mia SF 0.981 74 curry,stephen gsw PG 0.979 75 millsap,paul uta PF 0.976 76 collison,darren dal PG 0.976 77 garnett,kevin bos PF 0.975 78 kidd,jason nyk PG 0.975 79 taylor,jeffery cha SF 0.972 80 villanueva,charl det PF 0.970 81 jefferson,al uta C 0.970 82 pondexter,quincy mem SG 0.970 83 horford,al atl C 0.970 84 fredette,jimmer sac PG 0.968 85 lee,david gsw PF 0.967 86 williams,louis atl PG 0.966 87 lowry,kyle tor PG 0.965 88 morris,marcus hou PF 0.964 89 thomas,isaiah sac PG 0.964 90 aldridge,lamarcu por PF 0.963 91 hill,george ind PG 0.962 92 crawford,jamal lac SG 0.961 93 hayward,gordon uta SF 0.959 94 butler,caron lac SF 0.959 95 sullinger,jared bos PF 0.958 96 thompson,jason sac PF 0.958 97 robinson,nate chi PG 0.957 98 thornton,marcus sac PG 0.956 99 miles,c.j. cle SG 0.955 100 gortat,marcin pho C 0.954 101 jack,jarrett gsw PG 0.954 102 valanciunas,jona tor C 0.954 103 bogans,keith bro SG 0.953 104 gasol,marc mem C 0.953 105 thompson,klay gsw SG 0.952 106 clark,earl lal PF 0.952 107 vucevic,nikola orl C 0.950 108 marion,shawn dal SF 0.949 109 sessions,ramon cha PG 0.947 110 batum,nicolas por SF 0.947 111 evans,tyreke sac SG 0.947 112 brooks,aaron sac PG 0.947 113 howard,dwight lal C 0.947 114 young,nick phi SG 0.946 115 belinelli,marco chi SG 0.946 116 west,david ind PF 0.945 117 afflalo,arron orl SG 0.943 118 pierce,paul bos SF 0.943 119 johnson,joe bro SG 0.942 120 o'neal,jermaine pho C 0.940 121 singler,kyle det SF 0.939 122 barnes,harrison gsw SF 0.939 123 barbosa,leandro bos PG 0.938 124 thompson,tristan cle PF 0.936 125 williams,marvin uta PF 0.936 126 stephenson,lance ind SG 0.935 127 harris,devin atl PG 0.934 128 varejao,anderson cle C 0.934 129 thabeet,hasheem okl C 0.934 130 gordon,ben cha SG 0.933 131 green,jeff bos PF 0.933 132 sanders,larry mil PF 0.931 133 kaman,chris dal C 0.931 134 wright,dorell phi SF 0.930 135 artest,ron lal SF 0.929 136 lee,courtney bos SG 0.929 137 brewer,corey den SF 0.929 138 derozan,demar tor SG 0.928 139 smith,jason nor PF 0.928 140 blatche,andray bro C 0.926 141 hansbrough,tyler ind PF 0.925 142 ridnour,luke min PG 0.925 143 dragic,goran pho PG 0.923 144 henderson,gerald cha SG 0.923 145 nowitzki,dirk dal PF 0.923 146 richardson,jason phi SG 0.922 147 gibson,daniel cle PG 0.920 148 hilario,nene was C 0.916 149 gibson,taj chi PF 0.916 150 williams,deron bro PG 0.915 151 george,paul ind SG 0.914 152 salmons,john sac SG 0.912 153 kanter,enes uta C 0.912 154 prince,tayshaun mem SF 0.911 155 douglas,toney hou PG 0.911 156 chalmers,mario mia PG 0.910 157 walker,kemba cha PG 0.909 158 neal,gary san SG 0.908 159 lillard,damian por PG 0.908 160 garcia,francisco sac SF 0.907 161 babbitt,luke por SF 0.907 162 watson,c.j. bro PG 0.907 163 randolph,zach mem PF 0.907 164 deng,luol chi SF 0.905 165 smith,j.r. nyk SG 0.902 166 williams,derrick min PF 0.902 167 tucker,p.j. pho SG 0.900 168 thomas,lance nor SF 0.900 169 favors,derrick uta PF 0.898 170 roberts,brian nor PG 0.897 171 westbrook,russel okl PG 0.897 172 boozer,carlos chi PF 0.896 173 conley,mike mem PG 0.895 174 cunningham,dante min PF 0.895 175 teague,jeff atl PG 0.894 176 blair,dejuan san C 0.894 177 scola,luis pho PF 0.891 178 gordon,eric nor PG 0.891 179 bass,brandon bos PF 0.891 180 asik,omer hou C 0.891 181 anderson,alan tor SF 0.890 182 bargnani,andrea tor PF 0.887 183 wallace,gerald bro SF 0.886 184 monroe,greg det C 0.886 185 johnson,ivan atl PG 0.885 186 harkless,maurice orl SG 0.884 187 jennings,brandon mil PG 0.884 188 brown,shannon pho PG 0.884 189 brand,elton dal PF 0.883 190 allen,lavoy phi PF 0.883 191 kidd-gilchrist,m cha SF 0.882 192 gasol,pau lal PF 0.881 193 ross,terrence tor SG 0.880 194 haslem,udonis mia PF 0.880 195 udrih,beno mil PG 0.879 196 crowder,jae dal SF 0.879 197 hawes,spencer phi C 0.879 198 humphries,kris bro PF 0.878 199 bynum,will det PG 0.878 200 beal,bradley was SG 0.877 201 williams,mo uta PG 0.876 202 lawson,ty den PG 0.875 203 speights,marrees cle PF 0.875 204 jones,dahntay dal SG 0.874 205 pachulia,zaza atl C 0.872 206 crawford,jordan was SG 0.872 207 bledsoe,eric lac PG 0.866 208 iguodala,andre den SF 0.864 209 cousins,demarcus sac C 0.864 210 okafor,emeka was C 0.863 211 davis,glen orl PF 0.863 212 augustin,d.j. ind PG 0.861 213 stuckey,rodney det SG 0.858 214 nelson,jameer orl PG 0.857 215 barea,jose_juan min PG 0.857 216 arthur,darrell mem SF 0.856 217 gee,alonzo cle SG 0.854 218 maxiell,jason det PF 0.854 219 miller,andre den PG 0.854 220 burks,alec uta SG 0.852 221 knight,brandon det PG 0.851 222 mahinmi,ian ind C 0.851 223 holiday,jrue phi PG 0.851 224 gay,rudy tor SF 0.850 225 lin,jeremy hou PG 0.849 226 ariza,trevor was SF 0.849 227 hamilton,richard chi SG 0.848 228 bayless,jerryd mem PG 0.847 229 ayon,gustavo orl C 0.847 230 aminu,al-farouq nor SF 0.846 231 telfair,sebastia pho PG 0.846 232 allen,tony mem PG 0.844 233 udoh,ekpe mil PF 0.839 234 turner,evan phi SG 0.836 235 bradley,avery bos SG 0.834 236 price,a.j. was PG 0.832 237 waiters,dion cle SG 0.831 238 turiaf,ronny lac C 0.831 239 noah,joakim chi C 0.830 240 mcroberts,josh orl PF 0.827 241 moore,e'twaun orl PG 0.826 242 love,kevin min PF 0.826 243 prigioni,pablo nyk PG 0.826 244 smith,josh atl PF 0.824 245 felton,raymond nyk PG 0.824 246 mullens,byron cha PF 0.823 247 vasquez,greivis nor SG 0.818 248 zeller,tyler cle C 0.817 249 ellis,monta mil PG 0.816 250 duhon,chris lal PG 0.814 251 livingston,shaun cle PG 0.812 252 hinrich,kirk chi PG 0.810 253 morris,markieff pho PF 0.810 254 brewer,ronnie nyk SG 0.809 255 shved,alexey min SG 0.804 256 singleton,chris was SF 0.799 257 rondo,rajon bos PG 0.798 258 jackson,stephen san SF 0.796 259 mbah_a_moute,luc mil SF 0.796 260 seraphin,kevin was PF 0.792 261 morris,darius lal PG 0.792 262 daniels,marquis mil SG 0.787 263 fields,landry tor SG 0.786 264 green,gerald ind SG 0.784 265 perkins,kendrick okl C 0.780 266 haywood,brendan cha C 0.780 267 stiemsma,greg min C 0.775 268 beasley,michael pho SF 0.774 269 biyombo,bismack cha C 0.765 270 hibbert,roy ind C 0.762 271 robinson,thomas sac PF 0.743 272 evans,reggie bro PF 0.741 273 johnson,james sac PF 0.740 274 cole,norris mia PG 0.739 275 hayes,chuck sac PF 0.738 276 green,draymond gsw PG 0.714 277 rivers,austin nor SG 0.689 278 rubio,ricky min PG 0.681 279 ezeli,festus gsw C 0.668 280 odom,lamar lac PF 0.657 281 tinsley,jamaal uta PG 0.633 282 watson,earl uta PG 0.517
