Man, that sucks. In a way, though, I am sure it was a fitting introduction to the negatives of white America. As for me, both of my parents grew up in very conservative families who continued to be conservative. My parents were the only ones on either side to move more liberal. My mother was more a liberal by action and my father was more intellectually liberal. By that I mean that my mother had more personal connections with different races and people of lower economic backgrounds (both of my parents spent time growing up being poor but both also ended up with rich parents in high school- my mom’s father ran for Senator, after all). So both of my parents were highly educated but had little money because they both taught at various levels. As a result, I grew up in a lower-middle class area and went to schools where our modest income and home was actually on the higher end. My environment growing up was extremely diverse and I preferred having close friends from all across the spectrum. So basically there was a weird combination and contradiction of home life and environmental life. I grew up rich in culture and experiences but surrounded by a lot of poverty and disadvantage. I knew people who sold drugs as a “quick fix” way to support their family when their mother got sick and lost her job (no father), and I could go to a friend’s house and experience the joy of watching a police manhunt throughout the apartments (helicopter spotlight and everything). Then I went to college and that was the epitome of spoiled, rich white America. I hated that and had a huge culture shock. That was when my “I hate white people as a group” beliefs started forming. So my political ideal – a kind of federalist-socialist direct democracy is a direct result of believing in society helping everyone but in a way that does not promote abuse and too much power. When one group has too much power (rich white kids in college) they inevitably get nasty. I am also a realist so I don’t go around expecting revolution.
pgabs can't you see he's being deliberately obtuse just to bother you? He understands what you are saying. He just doesn't agree.
the funny thing is i pointed out that I disagreed with my father sometimes, so if I disagree than I must believe it not to always be the case and that I didn't realize how much i do it sometimes, taken to be that maybe that can be negative sometimes but he still felt the need to challenge i guess
This is my motivation. I see an argument as A and B therefore C. If and A and B are true and both of these being true means C must be true then the argument is valid. For instance: A. My parents grew up poor, my father worked in a union B. My parents greatly influenced my politcal views C. I have a politcal view that is largely based upon helping poor people and believing that the .gov CAN help poor people. Your argument was A. Your parents grew up in the 30's and were treated poorly because of race B. your parents greatly influenced your politcal views C. You saw how badly people like your father were treated in the past so your politcal views on certain issues are motivated by getting people of the same race today any possible advantage. but this was thrown out and you never replaced it with a C. This is seriously the best I can explain one of the thing I do not understand.
okay, this is going to be the second time i say this, I didn't see trying to get someone of the same race any advantage i'll say it for the third time, I didn't say getting someone the same race any advantage I simply said in the first actual post if you actually read it that i see things through race. meaning i can apply race to a political issue, nothing more nothing less. its actually quite simple
"meaning i can apply race to a political issue" interesting i thought it was about "what in your home shaped your politcal view" can you give me your C? do you agree with my A and B i applied to you? also if you noticed right after i listed your C i said but you disagreed so there was no need to disagree again.
My mother. Her devotion to god and catholicism is something special, and she always believed that the poor and the rich deserved to be treated equally. During the civil war in el salvador, her life as an activist got her detained, so i guess you can say she was a POW. But unlike some presedential candidates, it's something she never likes to bring up. But I can see from her deep scars in her arms, that it was the toughest time in her life. I think every salvadoran could share a similar story, but the most impressive thing about her, is that she does not know hate. =) we live in communities, and we need men that know how to work in the community to represent us. Obama and funes, I'm looking at both of you.
In the 60’s Democrats who are now Republicans, were on the wrong side of the civil rights act, and the voting rights act, so my family has been democrats ever since. The confederate flag also was an offensive symbol in my house hold, and the southern republicans seem to sport it with badge of honor. Through out my life, I have noticed that liberals of all colors seem to be more opening minded, and conservatives I have known seem to less socially understand. I still feel the same about most conservatives’ today just don’t get it and the majority is out of touch with society. I sense a rebellious attitude towards upward mobility in this county when it comes to equality amongst most conservative Angelo men. I get the sense that they would rather have they would rather have things go back to the way they use to be in the 50’s and 60’s from the crap I catch on AM radio sometimes and engaging in political discourse face to face with some republicans. I was talking politics with a white conservative male and his main issue was, he didn’t like the fact that Michelle and barrack got to go to the Ivy League prestige’s schools and he couldn’t go. Looking at McCain hosting hate rallies; 100% of the crowds who are angry white people. I then compare it with Obama crowd which is a crowd of diversity is what makes me proud of the Democratic Party.
Nothing. I can't think of a single thing in my household that shaped my political views. Both of my parents are pretty conservative, but closer to a live and let live type approach. Politics was never really discussed much. I always gravitated towards it, I remember watching the Iran-Contra hearings, being in 6th grade wanting Dukakis to win, being in 8th grade wanting Ann Richards to win, being in 10th grade wanting Clinton to win. I'm just naturally wired to the left side of the aisle. The only thing I can really remember was some racism at our school and thinking about terrible it was even though I'd join in on some of the jokes when I was in elementary because my best friends' dad was apt to make a lot of racial jokes. I guess that's why I still have my "politically incorrect" sense of humor, but I always remember feeling sad for those kids who were picked on for what they couldn't change (and that was something I never did even if I would laugh at the occasional joke) and always hated that I didn't do anything at the time to stop it. Of course, I was only nine.
post your A B and C and I will not post in here anymore. for example here is mine again: A. My parents grew up poor, my father worked in a union B. My parents greatly influenced my politcal views C. I have a politcal view that is largely based upon helping poor people and believing that the .gov CAN help poor people.
I can hardly imagine how hard it must have been for your mom. And the fact that she came through that experience without hate in her heart is really something. When I was working with CISPES I spoke with a Salvadoran women who had been detained and tortured by the army. She told me a story about how one time her village got advance warning that the army was coming and the whole village ran and hid in an underground cave with an underwater entrance in the river. She said they could hear the army passing by overhead. I'll never forget that.
Oh yeah when you make an A,B,C argument there are two ways it can fail. the first is easy to spot. That is if one of the items listed are untrue. The second is a little bit harder, it is if all the items listed are true but the C item is not proved by A and B For instance: A. My dog weighs 20 pounds B. My cat weighs 4 pounds C. Dogs weigh more than cats on average. While all of these items are factual, you cannot prove C with A and B. A and B only speak of one dog and cat not dogs and cats average weight.
