Curry played almost exclusively as the 5, and towards the end of the season, showed very good flashes. He was just beginning to learn how to use his body in the paint, and was getting more comfortable with his shot. He can do great boarding/ banging/ shotblocking and we can use his soft touch to burn double teams. Excellent player. What's the supposed deal where we get Odom and Curry?
Clips and Bulls both need/want Jason Williams. We are just milking the situation to see what they are suckerd into offering.
Even if the Bulls are afraid the Rockets might select Williams at #1 I highly doubt they would give away Curry. This is what I think the trade would look like if there is a trade. Houston trades #1, #15, and Kenny Thomas Houston gets #2(Ming) and Lamar Odom Chicago trades #2 and Jamal Crawford Chicago gets #1(Williams) and Kenny Thomas LA trades Lamar Odom LA gets Jamal Crawford and #15 Houston gets the center and small forward that they need. Chicago gets Williams for the point and a good role player in Thomas. The Clippers get the point guard that they need.
if we traded away our number one pick, and didn't get a lottery pick back this year, our first pick of the draft this year would be #15, rite? That way the countdown for us to pick would be 14, since there would be 14 picks made before we get our first pick.
What if the countdown is already underway? What would you be counting down? I don't know? When is trading allowed again? Is it in 14 days?
I like the deal, but we may have to sweeten it by trading back Chicago's obligation to us. Odom and Ming? Didn't think it was posible. But is Crawford the PG that the Clippers need really? 3-way, trade for #6 and #7, get Butler and Hilario.
How about, Rockets trade: #1 Bulls trade: #2 #45 You guys aren't getting Curry, Chandler, Rose, Fizer, E-Rob, Hassell, Crawford, or anyone that has good value. We don't need J-Will bad enough to actually give up valuable commodities. Nice try...
Maybe that works in the NFL. In the NBA, it's going to take a lot more than a measly 2nd rounder to move up. It will take a player of value, and there are other teams who could (and would) offer a lot more just to take Williams, the player who the Bulls DO need.
Geez, with all these commodities, you would think the Bulls would be in the playoffs by now. You guys have been collecting commodities since Jordan left. Pathetic. Remember, Krause loves to make a splash (a big one at that). He traded a 23 year-old 20/10 guy for a high schooler who COULD be a 20/10 guy. That's crazy.
Krause would be stupid not to trade Trenton Hassell or Marcus Fizer to secure Jason Williams. Other teams have A LOT more to offer than the freaking 45th pick. give me a break kid.
LOL Thats my whole point. The Bulls don't need to move up and the don't NEED J-Will. We have many other options. I'm not going to waste my time debating this anymore. Just don't get your hopes up... You aren't getting anything really good from us....
Hey, I think they don't need him. This guy thinks they don't need him. What matters though, is that Krause thinks they need him. You know how you say you'll trade Ming if we pick J-Will, and then you'll trade him? Well, if he drops, there's obviously a problem with negotiations. Then, who'll take him off your hands? At what value? We are the winners. If we pick Ming, we have completed succesful negotiations. If we don't, we draft J-Will, and you're stuck with Ming and his baggage. Who's the winner?
We aren't stuck with Ming Let me explain this slowly..... If you guys draft J-Will and keep him then you risk upsetting Francis and disrupting your team. If you draft him and trade him then you might get smeone like A.Foyle from the Warriors. Woooooooo. Meanwhile, we have a Center. We don't have pressure to pick Ming. We can trade the pick to NY for Kurt Thomas and their pick or we could trade it to someone looking to move up for Dunleavy. Or we could just pick Wagner, Dunleavy, or whoever ourselves. We would love to have J-Will, obviously, but if we don't get him we can turn to Crawford who is still young and we can try and resign Best. We are hardly in a position where we need to panic and give up valuable players. Watch on draft day. Just don't be too dissapointed if you pick Ming or if you trade the pick and you don't get much...
Why are you guys even mentioning trades in this thread? It seems rather obvious that Doc is saying that the Rockets will draft Ming. I assume this means that the threeway between LA/Chi/Hou was on the table, but has since been disbanded... i.e. the simplest actions in the draft are preferred, as in just drafting Ming and not dealing with trades (or is it just trading and not dealing with Ming's baggage??? less likely) The biggest clue, why would Doc even mention this if Ming was coMING to another team other than the Rockets?? All in all, it looks like Doc is saying we're going to draft Ming (as of now!)
Would you say the Bulls NEEDED Tyson Chandler? I wouldn't. But they traded Elton Brand for him, didn't they? The Bulls are not perfect, and from the Brand trade obviously have the balls to make trades that others might criticize. I would not put this past them.
"If you draft him and trade him then you might get smeone like A.Foyle from the Warriors. " How do you expect to be taken seriously when you say things like that? AT THE VERY LEAST, in a LOPESIDED TRADE (in tother team's favour), we can get Odom straight up. That's the LEAST! Some can debate and say we can probably get Antwan Jamison. If you pick Ming, that means we didn't, that means something is wrong. So you'd have to work with whatever's outside JWill/Ming, which is a different class.
What I don't get about this thread though, is that Doc Rocket started a thread not long ago basically exclaiming "Ming! Woohoo!" suggesting rather openly that we would be taking Ming. If nothing much changed, why start another thread on this? Just to mention to us that there was a threeway discussion that didn't pan out? It seems to me like there is something more...
So that is the whole basis of your argument? Because we traded Brand for Chandler we might do something dumb and give up a ton of value for the #1 pick? Your theory is more flawed than I originally suspected....
