What If We Kicked All Illegal Aliens Out of the US...

IMO, you don't have to be an immigartion attorney to fill up an immigration application form.. immigration attorneys simply charge way too much

 

I didn't handle the work...I can tell you the person in our office who did is the smartest one here. It wasn't the filling out of the form that was the problem, if I remember correctly. And it might have been different because the immigrant was here for religious reasons. I don't know. But my understanding of it is there's a lot more than just filling out a form.

 

if all of those people completely vanished overnight, yes, there would be significant impact. However, 1) that is not going to happen , i.e. a mass exedus. 2) the impact may be 'significant' (whatever your definition is of that) but as time past, it would become much, much less severe.

 

I agree that we would ultimately adapt. I just think it would be very painful adaptation. Particularly in markets like Houston, Texas.

 

1. Fix the Laws. . . .
i.e. . . .If you think something that is illegal . .. . do you break the law
until the law is fixed????
or
Do you fix the Law? BUT ABIDE BY IT UNTIL THEN?

2. Also . . . It should be uniform . . .all illegals treated the same
regardless of country of origin

If we want to consider illegal labor as 'part of the global' economic system
basically we become a country without borders . . .

soooo. . . . .if the illegal Aliens were not here. . .those jobs would pay the same????? That being the case they would simply go undone???
I think not
MEANING . . . since I cannot get my pool of workers to work at those pay amounts. . . . I 'cheat' by recruiting from a different illegal pool of labors
If the illegal labors were not available . . . I would have to bow to Supply and Demand . . . .since i can use illegal labor .. i circumvent it by cheating

Question: Is not Illegal Labor basically BLACK MARKET LABOR?? Skirting the Law?? Beyond Control??
If you go outside the market .. . through illegal means. . IMO what the market driven price is irrelevent because you are in the 'BLACK MARKET'
i.e. People smuggling in Viagra and selling it at half the price - The price for Viagra is Market driven . . but smuggled Viagra undercuts the price and forcing the companies to drop their price to lessen the impact . . . .Does that mean we should legalize smuggling Viagra?

Because if i view you logic correctly. . . by making smuggling viagra illegal . .The problem with our SMUGGLING laws is that they are out of step with the economic reality and when there is such a case either the economy doesn't function well since the barriers isn't market driven, or else there is a huge impetus to skirt the law - i.e. smuggling viagra.

So [by enforcing the laws of Smuggling] if your idea is to somehow prop up PROFITS OF COMPANIES through regulation by creating a barrier to the free flow of VIAGRA you are actually contributing to the problem you are trying to stop.

Rocket River
Just spit Balling here

 

Kids have a much easier time picking up language than adults. If all they have is english, I am sure they will pick it up quickly.

 

I don't want them to just learn English.

 

There should be a $10,000 employer fine for each employee that is not a U.S. citizen or not a legal resident alien. Also, residential rental owner should face a $1,000 per month fine for each illegal alien residing at the rental property.

The problem would clear itself up quickly as illegals filed for legal status. Necessary workers and immediate families (spouse and children) who hold jobs could be processed and welcomed to America.

People with criminal records could then be screened and deported. If caught, they should spend prison time contracted out making the state "handling fees" (chain gangs?) before being deported. Those deported and caught again should get five years of hard labor in the remotest desert areas of Texas, Arizona and New Mexico.

But that's just my opinion.

 

1. I think you have a notion of this like these laws are analagous to speeding laws or something. These are desperate people. You can sympathize or not...but this isn't you and me in our comforts making decisions. These people just want to work and earn money.

2. This isn't big corporate wealth I'm concerned with. It's the little guy. It's the local restaurant owner, who has no clue whether the guy he just hired is legal or illegal. HE PAYS HIM THE VERY SAME WAGE. He works on razor-thin margins. He can't raise prices..especially in times like this. And he has openings in literally EVERY position he has to offer. Every single one...and can't find enough people to fill them. I know multiple people in this exact scenario. And if it were just those individuals affected, we'd say it's not a big deal. But when you consider the fact they each employ about 20-30 people at any given time, the impact is far larger if they go under.

3. I think sishir (his mama called him sishir, i'm gonna call him sishir) said it best. These laws are completely out of touch with reality. They exist in a vacuum. They need to be scrapped. Instead of spending all this time freaking out over enforcement, we need to be discussing and debating new policy with new laws. I promise you, you'll be b****ing like mad at the prices you'd pay for basic services if we enforce the fantasy land reality of those laws. Not because anyone's cheating...but because the supply of people willing to do those jobs at any reasonable price is simply not there.

 

Again to the race card because that's all you have. You are a pathetic dumbass.

 

People who break into a store and steal food are punished, that law is enforced; people who live here illegally are at the very least tolerated, at any rate, that law is not enforced.

Again, can a law be a law if it's not enforced? Especially if it's not in the law makers best interest to enforce it.

Wasn't it obvious to you that the people halfbreed knows that wait so long and have money to spend are not as needy as those who live in the worst conditions of third world countries? The fact that they can wait and have money to spend should tell you all you need to know about the differences between them and the ones who come here illegally.

And I admit it's not just desperation, there's also the opportunity that comes from being neighbors to the U.S. However, they also have to be willing to live as at best second class citizens, in exclusion, in a country where people either want them out or feel pity towards them -either way, neither group respect them-, and in a country where they can be killed and not be given justice.

You don't HAVE to learn Spanish if you don't want to. You can get by without it too.

Why the facepalm? It's the truth. You even covered another very important reason why they don't have to learn English; bi-lingual education for their children.

Can you give me a good reason why they would have to learn English? It's not the official language and there is so much Spanish spoken in the U.S. that you can, like I said, get by. So far, you've just complained about how you hate having to use a translator, in effect, you think it's an inconvenience, but outside of that; the U.S. is accepting a second language because most know that it's impossible -most are semi-literate in their own language to begin with, how are they supposed to learn a new language?- to have it any other or your way.

Most, unwillingly. If they could, they would migrate here, not immigrate. But as the situation stands today; going back and forth -illegally-, is not as easy as it used to be, in effect, they're trapped here.

For the love of money. That's too bad.

But I think the better analogy, at least for you, would be if you were kicked out of home or escaped, no? Because how can you love parents, even if they're biological, that don't want you or force you to stay against your will? How can you not love parents who try, but nonetheless find it impossible to give you a decent life?

Oh Americans can and do provide cheap labor -I'm doing that right now-, but you're insane if you believe that it's cheaper than the labor you can get from people you can legally take advantage of. Because, it is the fact that they get paid on average a lot less than Americans, and isn't that enough proof? And that's just pay, what about benefits? Job site conditions? Treatment? Respect? Dignity? All of those things are demanded by Americans, but if I were to tell you that every worker, even the foreigners, deserve those rights you'd blow a gasket.

Obviously population growth is a problem if you admit that it has to come from without.

 

Keep the punches up.

 

Yes I definately was the sponsor and I also helped fill out the papers.
I wish I could remember the name of the agency we went through but I am positive it is a Catholic Charity. I think their office is on 59 south outside the loop, I had to go there one time.

I am quite sure we did it the right way it took about 7 months but I have been told it could take over a year.

The man got his card.

I do know that getting this done under the present system for the majority of illegals would be impossible.

The cost was between $1K-$2K I believe. Cost wasn't the problem, getting through the process was what I helped with the most.

I actually went online and downloaded alot of the applications for him to help speed things up. But the agency took him through it the right way.

I don't think opening the border completely would be right. I think the best solution would involve an increase to the number of legal immigrants allowed; simplify the process for work permits and enforce it properly.

There are very compassionate ways to work out papers for those already working in the US.

The cost to get papers shouldn't be made expensive- just set up citizenship training, English language training and work with the Mexican govt. and US authorities for background checks.

 

It is enforced, but sparsely because of pressure from political lobbies - enforced just enough to make it look like they're doing something, but not enough to actually do anything significant. And it's yet to be proven that it's in the maker's best interests to enforce it. What we have right now is speculation based on what the industry says will happen because they happen to want to circumvent minimum wage laws. Sure, it may lead to temporary worker shortages. That can be overcome.

What? You're assuming people who came here legally didn't need to borrow money to get here. Are you an immigrant yourself?

they're not citizens at all.

it's not that hard. my dad went from some broken phrases to comfortably speaking (albeit with an accent), although it took years. All it takes is the will to do so. I'll admit that not everyone can learn english. However, as long as English is the lingua franca here, I expect people who want to interact with others to learn it. That applies to any race.

No, because if I were to run away my parents would have to be abusive and criminal.

Mexico isn't really trying, nor has it tried for the past 80-ish years.

I'm getting mixed signals from you. So it's ok to treat illegals poorly?

Your whole argument is one from convenience - our industries would suffer if we didn't shut down illegal immigration. Poor companies, they wouldn't be able to compete (yeah, right). No more cheap McDonald's. Isn't that what you're insinuating? We should be able to continue living a great lifestyle because we can place a great burden on the backs of illegal immigrants.

 

I think it's awesome you did that. Seriously awesome bordering on incredible.


Unfortunately, I think it's unlikely right now that many will follow your lead on that. If asked to guarantee the potential obligations of others unrelated to them, I'm guessing you're in the 2% of the population of this country that would.

 

No need to be a pessimist...

 

won't be that way forever.

 

Vote Communist.

 

would be a good thing if people's hearts were different. but every -ism seems ultimately to be used towards exploitation and the seizing of power.

 

At least Bushisms are funny and make you feel smarter.