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What IF we get Swift...and it doesn't pan out?

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by johnvv, Jul 8, 2005.

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  1. The_Yoyo

    The_Yoyo Member

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    all that this team needs is a younger charles oakley.. man a young oak would have been awesome for this team. hell if nothing works out jvg may bring him out of retirement again who knows
     
  2. Master Baiter

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    What if you thought you had to fart and you **** your pants? Thats just life sometimes, **** happens.
     
  3. ROXTXIA

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    Didn't you see "Along Came Polly"?

    "Dude, we have to leave. I just sharted."

    "What?"

    "I sharted. I tried to fart and a little s**t came out."



    I can only hope the word "shart" winds up in Webster's but we shall see.
     
  4. MrButtocks

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    It depends on how much we brought him in for. For the MLE, a lack of improvement from Swift could be lived with. He could be bench or he could be traded. If we pay him 8-9 mil a year and he doesn't improve, we'll be scratching our heads wondering why we always hand out big contracts to underacheivers.

    There are reasons to gamble on potential rather than performace. Good performance is expensive, i.e Ray Allen. Lack of results with high potential tends to be risky, but cheap like Kwame Brown. Swift has nothing to show for himself except potential. His asking price? 9 million. Either lower that price or goodbye Swift.

    Swift does not work hard, will not hustle, and has a bad attitude.

    Antoine Walker has even worse attitude problems.

    SAR and Marshall have a just a little less upside, but far less risky.

    Marshall is too old.

    Bottom line: Swift is too risky at his price. MLE or nothing.
     
  5. Da Wink

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    What matters most is wheher if we would be able to sign a PF that we need..at this time whether it would pan out or not.I'm sure whoever it is JVG would bring the best out of him. I'm wondering what we're gonna do if all our PF targets sign with other teams. hope that what they so called BOLD move would not just turn into a dream..
     
  6. OddsOn

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    Well given our current situation with cap space and how many contracts will be off the books next year, I would say that if we cannot sign a guy who we think will make a difference this offseason that we stay the course with what we have and maybe use Badiane as a backup PF...

    What I DON'T want is for the Rockets to make a knee-jerk reaction and sign someone just because. We will be in prime position near mid year to make some trades with other teams due to the contracts expiring at the end of the year so I truly hope that we do not rush into anyting. I'd rather us sign another young and athletic PG/SG?SF and run with that if cannot find a PF who fits in with our team needs...

    Thats all I have... ;)
     
  7. DonnyMost

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    If he flops, we suck again. The end.
     
  8. New Jack

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    I think the potential for disappointment is very small, mainly because Swift has no big holes in his game. He is already a solid all around player. When Taylor and Cato were here, everybody was clamoring for a player who's game was more in between the two of them. Swift is that player. Good offensive player, good defensive player, average rebounder. But not bad at any particular thing.

    We used to pay +8 mil for Maurice Taylor to give us 12 points on offense and nothing on defense. We used to pay +8 mil for Cato to give us 6-7 rebounds+ defense, but nothing on offense. Now we have a chance to get a player that, at the very least, is going to give us the same production that those 2 gave us (12 ppg, 6-7 rbs, 2blks.+defense), at the price of one.

    As long as people keep their expectations realistic, Swift will not be a bust. People need to get over thinking that if the Rockets spend big money on a player that isn't an all star, that they're overpaying. Championship teams have paid role players more for less production than what Swift would give us and been perfectly happy with their decision.

    When a team has established stars, like the Rockets do, a very good role player can add more value to a team than another star player. Detroit, for instance, probably wouldn't trade Tayshaun Prince for Carmelo Anthony, even though Anthony is a star and Prince is a role player.
     
  9. macfan

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    Yeah, Joe Smith-a nobody-over Juwan Howard who is a former all star and 17pt 8reb career player
     
  10. macfan

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    The MLE is 40MM+. Turkoglu, Fisher, Foyle 40-44Mill
     
  11. Aruba77

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    I like Reggie Evans.
     
  12. ceonwuka

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    I too feel that Swift isn't the best guy for us for the simple fact that he cant play center. San Antonio and Detroit who are the class of the league at this point have a very solid three man rotation at C/PF so I think this is the model we ought to follow.

    Obviously Yao cant play PF, Juwon cant play C, and Deke can't play forever (or can he?) so whatever PF we go after should be able to play at least a lil' bit of Center.

    At this point, there really isnt anyone ideal on the market, but if we do want to take a risk on a PF with "upside" I would think Kwame Brown would be a more attractive option. With Larry Hughes going to Cleveland, the Wizards could use another combo guard (maybe Sign & Trade Sura or Wesley).

    ^^Someone earlier mentioned that we dont need any "impulse moves" that end up killing our future (circa 1996-2003). I agree, but in the West, that easier said than done. Every team will be better next season except maybe the Soncs/Jazz/Blazers so we really cant afford to sit on our hands waiting for the perfect situation while losing ground. To win it all, you need momentum, building up after each year, so we definately need to make the second round this year, and I dont think this group can get us there as it stands right now.
     
  13. Hakeem06

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    i think a lot of people are missing the fact that stromile never got a lot of minutes in memphis because they had pau gasol at the PF position and the only minutes that stro got were at center and he's definitely not a true a center at only 6'9. i think him at 30+ min pg at PF he could give us the rebounding, defense, and block shots we need. i think he could also give us around 14 ppg too in that amount of time on the floor. i think everyone would agree he isn't going to become the next KG but we only need a role player who is tall, athletic and can rebound. he fits that and that's why i would love him in a rockets uniform.
     
  14. DonnyMost

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    "Juwon cant play C"

    Isn't he like 6'10 or 6'11"?

    He was a center for a time in the East I think, he's not a great center, but he can probably give you 10 minutes of spot work there.
     
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    If the 5yr MLE turns out to be that high, we are betting a lot on Swift at just the MLE. I'd rather give that (or whatever it is we spend) to Bobby Simmons, who has a workman's attitude and has shown more game than Swift.

    The one and only thing that gives me confidence in Swift is the fact JVG wants him.
     
  16. Hakeem06

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    Juwan is only 6'9. and i don't think he ever played center.
     
  17. ceonwuka

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    ^^ Juwon's 6'9" and he might not even be able to play (i forgot to mention that earlier)
     
  18. micah1j

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    Did you know there was a new CBA? The MLE is 5 years ~30M :cool:
     
  19. Hakeem06

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    yeah, how is juwan's health???? haven't heard anything in awhile. i think he only makes a good back up at this point in his career anyway, but who knows, we may need him to start if we can't land a PF this offseason.
     
  20. ceonwuka

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    i think the new MLE is 5/$35Mil. which isnt THAT bad i guess. (I still like Kwame more)
     

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