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What I have heard about the Rockets

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by Nook, Apr 10, 2023.

  1. Hemingway

    Hemingway Member

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    I wouldn’t do it if we had to include any Sengun, Green, or Jabari. Our 23 pick if outside top 2 and all the Nets picks and swaps plus guys like Tate, KJM, KPJ should be enough. The Nets need to tank. They won’t be anything but mediocre with Bridges as their main guy and saddled with Simmons. If the cost is more I pass. It’s just too early in my opinion to trade Sengun. I’m pretty convinced he is something really special, but if I’m wrong he will still be good enough to package in a few years.
     
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  2. Bryant2108

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    For Bridges? No way. They wouldn’t ask for all that, plus picks. That would be absurd

     
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  3. vince

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    Dude I give everyone the benefit of the doubt. But that video, quite visibly, has been made by someone who dislikes Harden. It’s composed mostly of missed shots. News flash: even the elite 3 point shooters miss more than they make!!!! What’s a video showing he missed shots going to prove, it’s not like he’s shooting airballs or chucking the ball with no regards.

    Harden style was effective and it had the Rockets continuously in the playoffs and mostly as contenders.
     
  4. ApacheWarrior

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    They will get more from other teams.

    They gave up on Durant and Kyrie and were suppose to lose every game; but were
    actually better with Bridges running as number 1 option.

    Simmons sat

    Nic Claxton finished 2nd in blocked shots in the NBA. Another target of mine.
    Sengun-Claxton team swap.

    Cam Thomas pitched in some and of course my target Cameron Johnson.
    But Cameron Johnson is in our ball park price range.....not Mikal Bridges.
    That would be a pipe dream. Make it happen Stone if that's the case.

    Nets ended up the 6th seed with no good Bridges....funny
     
  5. Tfor3

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    Yes, but no


    If same Harden - NO

    A humbled team-first Harden driven to help team win a ship - Sure.
     
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  6. Madmanmetz

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    If we need to fix the culture, (and I have been on record the culture was begin to rot the moment they shipped out CP3 for Westbrick) then they right coach is the highest component to this problem. The second most important factor will be the players they bring in. Kyrie and Harden are culture dominators. They will not set a professional approach, and winning basketball culture to this roster of rookies and young guys. If that is the plan Stone needs his head examined and on the chopping block.
     
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  7. ROXTXIA

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    Well, that I'll agree with. Morey was always a star-f***er (perhaps knowing there are other cities / organizations that can snap up All Star talent just by existing, whereas Morey had to overcome his "if I have to, I'll trade you and sell your mother for spare parts" reputation) and as such Harden was given too much leeway. But in return the organization did lean on him heavily (scoring, assists, high minutes).

    Some of the Harden-haters like @rocketchamp acts like Harden got his sister pregnant and has refused to pay child support. We did, after all, come within one CP3 hamstring of a Finals appearance with Harden (validating Morey's belief in All Stars, I suppose).
     
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    Good stuff.

    I don't believe that Porter sitting out the last game had any affect on his salary. It gave the Rockets additional cap space though.

     
  9. AroundTheWorld

    AroundTheWorld Insufferable 98er
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    Are we sure that didn't happen? :D

    Also, if that were the reason @rocketchamp doesn't like Harden, makes you wonder if Sengun got his whole family pregnant! :p
     
  10. Nook

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    They can still get value for him.

    He is 24 years old and gets you 26/10; there are teams like the Knicks that think they can limit his bad shots and stack defenders around him.

    I just don't want the Rockets to be that team.
     
  11. glimmertwins

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    If that is really the Nets offer, then the Nets don't actually want to trade Bridges. No one on the planet is giving up two recent top 3 lotto picks AND a slew of upcoming lotto picks for Bridges. He's been good but that amounts to more than what the Suns gave up to get Durant. I would be super interested to know where you got that offer from because it sounds wildly unrealistic.
     
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  12. DeBeards

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    i wouldn't feel surprise, if ppl who have watched Stone's 2022-23 end of season conference, mistake him as boss of certain casino resort (lol look at his suit), or, think GM is nothing but his part time job, lol im missing Murray more than ever!

    yeah, everybody loves nick, ime, kenny...but the reality is, tilly penny-pincher is our boss.

    VW is a BIG but pretty CHEAP nickname for Wemby...
    GLUE TYPE = JARACE WALKER
    [​IMG]

    KPJ'll definitely mad if new hc dare to ask him off the bench as a sixth man, but tfb sixth man is possibly the best position Silas should've asked him to play (considering his tunnel vision and notorious 'one on one' style of games).
    [​IMG]


    Scoot (Fred Van Fleet)
    Jalen Green
    Mikal Bridges
    Siakam (Jabari)
    Alpi (Wemby)

    wow, but that depends on who our next HC will be, look, to a rebuilding team, it's always hard to recruit big name players, unless you've already put most of the things necessary in place first:
    Big Market (equals to potential media exposure)
    Big Contracts
    A nice HC / Win Culture
    Franchise player
    Other building blocks
     
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  13. carl_herrera

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    You’ve answered yourself: the Nets don’t want to trade Bridges.

    If a team doesn’t want to trade a guy, and doesn’t want to rebuild, you can’t make them agree to a trade by adding more picks or saying what they’d want is absurd, or telling them how much sense it would make for them. You just move on, it isn’t happening this summer.

    Trade don’t happen because someone offered a fair price. Trades happen because both front offices are independently motivated to make a trade happen.
     
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    Ball is a better overall player than Young. I have season tickets to the Hawks and watch a lot of their games. While Young is fun to watch, and does have a lot of heart, he does not play D and his teammates do not like him. In fact, the Hawks are looking to move him this offseason. Ball plays D, is bigger, stronger and is just as good of a shooter, he just doesn't chuck up half court threes like Young does.

    As for coaches, if you go with Nurse, Vogel or Atkinson, then you may as well forget about getting any FAs to come here. They just won't. We may have to execute trades and overpay mediocre players a la the LA Lakers just to appear to look relevant. We will win max 30-40 games a season. Nurse lucked into a team that had won 55 plus games for four seasons in a row prior to his promotion. Once Lowry left, its been downhill. Atkinson maybe the most overrated coach in the league not named Eric Spoelstra. As for Vogel, I think everyone knows what he is at this point.
     
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    @Nook how do you think KPJ would handle being demoted to 6th man from your understanding and sources?

    Is how he mentally handles that change a big factor on whether he stays or is traded?
     
  16. ApacheWarrior

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    I agree

    And do the Celtics really wanting to trade Jaylen Brown?

    People keep putting the rumors out there. Own team wants a kings
    ransom in return. No doubt. Wouldn't you?

    I was hoping we could get Caruso for a couple of second rounders.
    Then I heard they wanted two first round picks....are you kidding me?
    At the time Caruso was 5.5 pts, 3.2 Ast, 3.2 rebs, 1.6 stls in 24 minutes.
    Look again at Bridges numbers.

    Notice he didn't get traded
     
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    How do you think Jalen Green would handle being demoted to 6th man from your understanding and sources?

    Do you think how he mentally handles that demotion could be a huge factor in whether he stays or is traded?

    I mean, if he becomes a locker room problem, you have to dump him right?
     
  18. topfive

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    But compared to Isaac, Suggs looks like an iron man.
     
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  19. Nook

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    I don't know Porter so it is hard to say.

    IMO Porter isn't going to be protected with the next coach. If he is a problem, then he will be gone.... so this is his chance to show how he will handle being held accountable. I am skeptical but Stone likes him.... but Stone would trade his wife for an all star point guard, so even Porter is ultimately expendable.
     
  20. Rochut

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    interesting post!

    One thing to clarify is that KPJ sitting out the last game does not impact any money coming to him at all - only impact is on the value of his contract in terms or trades/cap because of the likely/unlikely definition of his contract incentives.
     
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