GREAT speech by John McCain. It is truly refreshing for a politician to put our NATION's security interest above his own personal ambition. It really is. The easy way out politically is just to say 'get out' and ignore the consequences. McCain articulates how foolish and damaging that would be. Heck, it's just refreshing to hear someone with TRUE military experience, both in the legislative form and in the personal form, speak on the issue. Quite a contrast from Obama/Hillary. They have no experience or cred on the issue.
I apologize. McCain. See, it's not so hard to admit when you are mistaken. You might try it some time. The fact that you didn't properly understand what was McCain was talking about when you attacked him doesn't excuse your wrongness. I had no trouble understanding that McCain or whomever was talking about what is commonly referred to as 'the gun show loophole'. This isn’t some obscure point that nobody has ever heard of before. You can Google the term if you still don’t understand what he was talking about. It has always been about legal sales from individuals to individuals at gun shows. The ATF understands this. I understand this. The NRA understands this. McCain understands this. Apparently you don’t. But you still think it is appropriate for you to tell him he is wrong. That you bristled when you didn't even understand what he was saying just makes it more absurd. You attacked the man without even understanding him. The 90% number was an estimate based on personal experience at gun shows. If you want to take issue with that number that is fine. I will gladly admit that that number could be off. In fact, there are states that regulate person-to-person transactions at gun shows so it probably is off by quite a bit as I haven't been to gun shows in all 50 states, or even states outside of Texas. I hold the high ground because I am right, you are wrong, and you choose to freak out at me for no reason when I pointed this out. Because of that I can call you a buffoon, or a moron, or a congenitally r****ded antelope or whatever I want in return. You are the one who wanted to fight. I even gave you a chance to back down. Now when I call you on it and don't let you weasel out of admitting your wrongness, and you realize that you have no basis for attacking the truth any further, you suddenly are concerned with the moral high ground and explaining what you really meant. Right. Poor CaseyH. I'm crying for the injustice of it all.
I am not wrong. You are now admitting you are wrong on 2 counts : 90% and McCain. I have not been wrong on anything in this thread. I understood exactly what he said. You, not even reading the speech I guess, did not. I called you out on the 90% number, now that you have admitted you are wrong, I am not sure what we disagree about, so it seems you are just name calling for fun. Which is fine because thats what people who are losing on the facts of the issue do.
\ Let us discuss this loophole. If the law inside a gunshow is not different than outside than no loophole exists. This is why I mentioned that the laws are the same. I have been going to gun shows for almost 2 decades and have found 1 table in that time where the person was a non-ffl. Most of the time the tables are small and offer nothing I want. The vast majority of the sales are from the same dealers who have hundreds of items displayed and 3-4 people doing the paperwork at a time.
LOL. And Richard Nixon was not a crook. The word or concept of a loophole didn't enter this discussion until I introduced it a couple of posts ago, well after you mentioned that the laws are the same. Keep on retrofitting your arguments. It is fun to watch.
i guess it is when you completely ignore everything I say after caught flinging BS numbers and then just attack me. Congrats,
So, McCain doesn't really disagree with Obama's statement that Iran is not close to being the threat the Soviet Union was... he just moves from the actual statement to creating a twisted meaning by leaving out the comparison. That's real leadership. Here's Obama's original:
Obama responds: Indeed. The Repubs have been talking schoolyard tough for years now, and Obama's finally calling them on it... what are they afraid of that would lead them to abandon American values, commit torture, conduct illegal spying, gut habeus corpus, childish diplomacy, etc.? We're a better country than that and it looks to me like Obama realizes it as well. Yes, let's have this debate.
Obama would be wise to avoid this conversation -- he just simply doesn't have the experience or gravitas to win. Of course the media is in the tank for him, so that helps, but for Mr. Ivory Tower Academia with no experience to argue foreign policy with a decorated war hero is the height of folly. This just speaks to Obama's arrogance more than anything. The man is just in over his head. He belongs in a think tank where he can get paid to bloviate, not leading the worlds most powerful military...
now the black guy represents ivory tower academia, man this is hillarious. now military experience is key after they swifted boated kerry in 04, now mccain is stable after he was loose cannon with an illegitimate black baby in 00. up is down, black is white, dogs sleeping with cats BWWWWWWAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
remove basso and george's posts which have been rendered irrelevant by rimrockers posts and this thread is a 5 STAR COCKFIGHT.
and yet a small country like afghanistan had a greater direct effect on the US than the Sovs ever did.
and yet while there we went to war with a country that had none, and yet most of the hijackers were from saudi arabia, and yet while going to war in the country that never did we've made the country in dispute stronger in the region influence wise
I'd say dying from cancer is a direct effect as is radiation exposure by the entire American populace since 1951... This doesn't include nuclear weapons workers, "training accidents" during the duration of the Cold War, or any of the economic, environmental, and social costs. Not to mention Korea and Vietnam. Yes, there was no singular event in the Cold War equivalent to 9-11 and I know you used the word "direct." But Obama's point stands, as does McCain's craven attempt to make political hay out of a geographic fact and a historical understanding that is irrefutable by any evidence. The only argument you might have is that during the Cold War, we did stuff to ourselves that we justified by our fear of the Soviet Union, much like we've done damage to ourselves from our fear of brown terrorists... but I don't think you and McCain want to go there.
So what about the benefit the technology of nuclear power brought us? For instance without weapons there will be nuclear power plant but since the R&D was greatly advanced from nuclear weapons it came much sooner. How long do coal miners live?
