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What has led to McGrady's decline?

Discussion in 'NBA Dish' started by TheGreat, Apr 10, 2010.

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Which most likely caused his sudden decline?

  1. Training Techniques

    9 vote(s)
    2.3%
  2. Knee injury

    179 vote(s)
    46.0%
  3. Work Ethic

    147 vote(s)
    37.8%
  4. Bad rehab

    25 vote(s)
    6.4%
  5. Other (Post what you think)

    29 vote(s)
    7.5%
  1. BEAT LA

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    If Chuck really cares about winning as much as McGrady then he wouldn't be b****ing about the Rockets owing him money.
     
  2. ArtV

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    Though I think he was on the downhill slide after the 08 playoffs and I'm no doctor but I think the surgery was the nail in the coffin of a once great player. IMO - hard work and physical therapy would have been a better way to go.
     
  3. Pete Chilcutt

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    WHo cares end thread :)
     
  4. chenjy9

    chenjy9 Numbers Don't Lie
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    T-Mac had all the tools to be one of the most special players in the NBA. If he had even half of the determination of the greats, he would easily be up there with them.
     
  5. devilsdandruff

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    michael jordan at 40 was quicker than this tmac.
     
  6. Ariza4MVP

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    Non of u guys find it hard and kinda sad watching that first video, man he was some player, i no alot of u knock his years with the rox, but he was an awesome player with the rockets, just didnt work out in terms of a championship. And, i dont think any of u guys are right to knock his work ethic at all, he has always worked hard, man hes worked so hard after this surgery, there aint no way u cud have acomplished the things he has without hard work
     
  8. OvenproofBadger

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    Jordan didnt have microfracture
     
  9. emjohn

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    Where's "All of the Above"?

    The Knee wouldn't have done this if it weren't for all the help he provided in (a) blowing off the rehab in summer of 2008 and (b) his poor work ethic and professionalism during the 08-09 season.

    Shane's been on record saying his ankle problem (same timeframe) had a similar diagnosis, including a microfracture surgery option. He took the road McGrady didn't (even overworked himself in rehab and delayed his recovery early on).
     
  10. Angkor Wat

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    Ok tough guy :rolleyes:. Unless you've played multiple NBA seasons and suffered multiple injuries throughout your career, you have no room to call any basketball player a wuss. Thats like me calling somebody a wuss because he's complaining that there's too much cussing on an internet forum and his kids read this site.
     
  11. Jontro

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    Injuries, mileage, and determination (lack thereof).
     
  12. chenjy9

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    It is not just us fans questioning his work ethics. NBA players have questioned his work ethics, attitude, ect. There is a reason that he has been always labeled as lazy. There is also a reason that he has broken down the way he has. There is a reason why people dislike him so intensely. Your last statement is hilarious. If anyone of us had T-Mac's natural talents, you think we would be on a forum talking about this? I would be out busting my ass off in the NBA and making the most out of my talents instead of pissing it all away.
     
  13. chenjy9

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    You don't seem to understand a fundamental difference. This is his job. It is his job to do everything to get well instead of slacking off. His job is to play basketball and every doctor save one told him he had to play the pain away. He didn't do it and when he caught wind he was going to be traded to the Nets, he found a doctor who suggested surgery, something that had been the last option.
     
  14. tinman

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    No but Jordan had a broken foot that made him miss like 64 games one season.
     
  15. tinman

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    Jordan, Bird, Dream, and all the greats had major injuries. None of them b****ed about it or claimed they were 100% when they weren't. None of them left their teams when times got hard.

    but you can feel pity for him all you want, nobody's gonna stop you from admiring mediocrity.
     
  16. tinman

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    people owing you money and winning games are two different things.

    at least he's not telling people he wish he never left Orlando.
     
  17. RV6

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    :confused: And i had a broken arm in 3rd grade...what does that have to do with MJ at 40 vs tmac now?
     
  18. tinman

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    doesn't matter what age. one dude had a work ethic and will to win, the other one didn't.

    care to guess which one?
     
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    I dont care how talented you are. You can't play at that level in the NBA without putting in hard work... the talent disparity is really small. As for heart, it is in the eye of the beholder. Opting for the knee surgery was a huge mistake.
     
  20. RV6

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    you left out battier said he still has more cartilage left than Tmac. And battier was given the option of having the surgery, but he declined because it was too major for the problem. Tmac, however, was told he should have it. Not the same thing at all.

    Tmac's got his issues. That the truth. And if we were talking about him actin' crazy like Arenas or ron, then i'd put the blame on him. 100%. No excuses. However, this is a physical issue, and unless we've dealt with scoliosis and muscle imbalances we have no idea how difficult a rehab program, or just working out in general, can be. I have, so i can tell you it limits your range of motion significantly, which forces muscles to compensate for others that are firing properly or enough. The put it briefly, it takes more more to do the same motion as someone who doesnt have the condition. So the same workout can feel much tougher to tmac and put more wear on him than to the average ball player. I'm not a lazy person by any means, especially when it comes to physical activity, but sometimes it just feels like too much work and energy for a simple movements.

    For this reason i realize tmac was at a disadvantage from the start, there's no denying or helping that. He messed up by sticking to a bad trainer and messed up by thinking he'd overcome it with natural talent. So blame him for those bad decisions, but i think saying hes bad work ethic as whole, and has always had it, is misleading. The guy worked, probably worked hard, but he was working incorrectly.
     

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