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What has Dwight done to be this hated by everybody?

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by kidhoward12, Feb 12, 2016.

  1. RocketBlood

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    Harden can come into camp over weight, go to strip clubs after losses, date that slut Khloe and iso every damn play and he gets a pass.

    Howard is just the scapegoat, people believe he does not care about winning because he is social and likes to laugh.
     
  2. joeson332

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    Just a shame everyone outside of Houston thinks this is Dwight's problem.
     
  3. Surfguy

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    The two things imo that Hakeem could never pass on to Dwight is shooting touch and finesse.
     
  4. underrated015

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    Get Dwight the ball for 10 to 12 possessions in a game and he averages 20 pts easily yet we like to shoot 3s
     
  5. Surfguy

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    I agree. I would much rather take my chances with Dwight's low post game than heave brick after brick from 3 point land. Let's face it...the reason we are where we are (aside from bad defense that is) is because we jack 3s more than any other team...and don't hit for a high percentage. It's a low percentage shot and, if you ask me if I want to continue to jack 3s or get the ball down low to Howard, then I would rather get Howard the ball more. Let Howard pass out for an open look 3 if the shot isn't there. But, get the ball through Howard more. He doesn't get it enough. And, when it works, it is a beautiful thing...like in the first quarter of the Portland game. You can't just give up on it and jack 3s. Harden is a bad offender of just starting off with the ball and jacking a 3. He's missed a ton of those this season. Yet, he continues to do it.
     
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    curry is a happy go lucky guy and the media eats it up but curry on the court is a hyper competitive m'fer which the media also eats up.

    dwight, in part because of himself, has not been able to balance or create the impression of that balance and he gets killed for that. people get offended when other people don't care as much as they do.

    so that + Orlando(coach killer rumors) and you've created a media monster narrative against dwight that, short of winning a title, will always surround him.
     
  7. hakeemthagreat

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    I think the fact ppl think because he's so physically imposing that he's automatically supposed to be Shaq. Ppl often say "why isn't Dwight averaging 30 & 12 every nite???". They think because he's not dunking on ppl every possession he's somehow a waste of talent. That is r****dED!! Dwight is not Shaq. We may never see another Shaq.

    The other reason is because he left a big market for us, and the national media has for some reason taken this personal (as if it was THEY'RE decision smh). If players can't make up their own minds where they wanna play without media opinions, then I think sports in general is CORRUPT. ESPN has too much power and is using it in the wrong way
     
  8. kanggang

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    Kobe has a lot to do with it too, he's universally acknowledged as one of the hardest working players in the NBA ever, and Kobe questioned Dwight's focus, etc whatnot
     
  9. YaoMing#1

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    Dwights a big ass dude.

    Curry is like the avg guy. He's skinny not big or overly athletic. He's harmless but a killer at the same time.
     
  10. ibm

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    that's what i said! :cool:
     
  11. aelliott

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    Yes, 3 pointers are a lower percentage shot but they do count 150% of other shots. Because of that extra 50% per shot, if you are shooting 3s within 50% of 2 point shots then they still produce more points.

    Quick example:

    Dwight hits at 48.1% on postups so for 100 postups that's
    .481 * 2 * 100 = 96.2 pts on those 100 shots.

    As a team we shoot 3s at 35.1% so for 100 3s that's
    .351 * 3 * 100 = 105.3 pts on those 100 shots.

    So as bad as you think that we are on shooting 3s, we still produce 6.1 more points per 100 shots than we do on Howard's postups.

    As far as running the offense through Howard, that's a disaster waiting to happen. Howard turns the ball of 2.5 times a game while only assisting 1.5 times. Guys with negative assist/to ratios don't usually facilitate offenses.
     
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  12. Zergling

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    National media is pretty lazy and tends to stick to narratives using their confirmation bias. Plus he said f*** you to the Lakers so that's never going help with his national rep. You don't mess with the Lakers' franchise and expect them to like you.
     
  13. rhino17

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    He's never been a hard worker. He's never spent an off-season learning something new, he never has attempted to develop anything offensively. He just kinda coasts and when you are depending on him as much as every team he has played for has, that just doesn't fly
     
  14. The_Yoyo

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    he was a dominant big man in an era of guards

    it all started when he was in orlando the guy was amazing and SVG built a team around Dwight. Dwight was the biggest obstacle for "the golden child" LeBron after the Celtics and Dwight was the guy who prevented the NBA's greatest ratings fest - Kobe vs LeBron in the nba finals in 2009.

    The thing was he was pretty likeable - a big kid, winning dunk championships

    when the injury happen - a serious one at that and the whole issue with the Magic just not being good enough - and they did start losing talent (and really didnt have too much talent to begin with) the media jumped on him. He was the reason they couldnt have their love fest with lebron and kobe.

    then he comes to LA and it just doesnt work out. He was traded remember so it wasnt like he had a huge choice. He left LA which was a super gutsy move - no superstar in their prime/super productive years ever left LA especially for a smaller contract. The Lakers basically planned to stay afloat with him and figured to use him as a piece to attract others to LA. ESPN started to set up their city networks at this time too. Dwight leaving was a huge blow to them - so yeah they were going to do the only thing the media can do -- attack Dwight's character as much as possible.

    which sucks because fans who do watch him - he plays tough and hard and is judged unfairly night in and night out. the amount of physical punishment he takes -- I mean the rant JBB had was on point. The refs do nothing to protect the health of players like him out there.
     
  15. JeffB

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    Great breakdown.

    Howard's free throw shooting would probably be another negative affecting offensive efficiency, no?

    Do the numbers support the idea that missing more shots in general leads to more transition opportunities for the opposition? Does the fact Houston takes so many 3s play into their poor transition D?
     
  16. kidhoward12

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    There are countless videos of him working with hakeem in the offseason. There is a visual or his body from rookie year to now. If you believe he doesn't work hard you are believing what the media wants you to. They want you to think he doesn't put time in, doesn't care, and is there for money. And we don't even see the stuff behind closed doors that happens. Somebody doesn't stay a great player for 12 years by coasting
     
  17. Haymitch

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    Are missed 3s more likely to lead to buckets for the other team than missed post ups? Intuitively I would say yes but I have no data for this.
     
  18. rhino17

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    Having a weekend training sesh with Hakeem doesn't mean jack ****. He is as terrible offensively today as he was when he was a rookie. He has had a good career because of his natural ability, not working on his game
     
  19. malakas

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    It's because he left LA to dry. That's why. Lakers fans are some of the most arrogant and whiny and spoiled brats who dont' even know to make an interesting educated conversation and just demand every star to be dying to join them. He humbled them and they won't forgive him.
     
  20. kidhoward12

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    you think that he has only trained with hakeem a few days? Do you honestly believe that? Idgaf if you don't care or not. You don't just spend a few days. We don't see the full picture. And he is the same offensively now as a rook? Ok. Go find some clips off him in his rookie year doing the moves and things he does now. I'll wait.
     

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