what great player has ever been hampered by a "system"?

My point is if we are such a bad team (because of Steve) and Dallas is so great (don't forget Smart) why are we only 2 games behind them last week instead of 8 or 10? If you count the 2 losses we had against Dallas, that means both Houston & Dallas played the rest of the league evenly. So how has Nash's smartness parlayed into more wins?

The Atlanta game was example enough. A good team wouldn't have let it get to that point.

Oh, ok. I guess SA, Detoit, Minnesota, and Dallas are all NOT good teams because they have all lost to Atl this season, remember, 1 game is example enough.

I don't care who Portland beat. They are on a 5 game winning streak. Something we have yet to do. They have been in the playoffs for like 20 years in a row. Do not take them for granted.

If you are going to use win streak as a barometer, then NJ should be the best team in the league and win the Championship because they are currently riding a 14 game win steak. Care to wager that NJ won't beat any team coming out of the West (which has no team that comes close to that win streak). As far as the 20 years in play-off thing... how many championships have they won? Yeah, what I just said is ridiculous, but not any more than what you are trying to say. Don't take US for granted.

Memphis will continue to climb. We were ahead of them last week. They have won 9 of 10 games. Something we have yet to do.

Although only 2 of those teams are playoff bound (and beating Wolves only by 1 point), never the less it's quite impressive. I'm not discounting them, but I will be very surprise if they are ahead of us by 3 or more games by year end.

Utah is only 4 games out of the bracket. Amazing isn't it? Completely revamped team and they are only 4 games out.

I have to take my hat off to them. But then again, who would've guessed they would be this good.

 

Okay,

Stats,

per forty eight minutes, are across the board better for Pippen in Portland in 99-00 than they were in Houston the previous season.

points per 48 min houston: 17, Portland 18
assists per 48 min houston: 7.08, Portand 7.25
rebounds per 48 minutes houston: 7.8, Portland 9.13

He shot a better percentage in Portland than in Houston.

He went further in the playoffs in Portland, a team with no future hall of famers, than he did in Houston, a team with two future hall of famers

He even said so himself.

So that's stats, wins, and word of mouth, what more proof do you need.

 

In response to the titular question of this thread:


T-Mac claimed that he was as ready to dominate offensively his last year in Toronto as he was his first in Orlando, but was contrained by his role in the system.

Wilt Chamberlain's role was redefined upon his arrival in LA, and were it not fr what we already knew of him, his scoring would have been considered almost sub-par based on his time there.


There are other examples. There may be a distinction between role and system, but as they aplly to the purpose of this thread, they mean the same.

 

Steve used to love to beat everyone to the basket and soar up to dunk. Cant he do that anymore? He did show his old colors just towards the end of the Spurs Game when they were beyond touch. This indicated to me that Steve has a bad mind set about playing on this team under JVG and with Yao Ming as the Franchise Player! It also states that He still has the talent to do everything he used to do but wont do it unless its to the advantage of his adjenda, what ever that might be! If he keeps this up he will be the looser, his friends should let him know that he is on a downward spiral and that his huge salary DOESN'T mean that he is a Rocket for life.

 

actually the question is hilarious
because if i say . . SAM MACK
you will say he was not a great player
I would say . . .yes he was. . but he was hamper by the system

neither of us could prove our points

Rocket River

 

Seeing as though he's not in the NBA anymore, I'd say he was hampered by every system.

 

ONE MORE THING

severa players THRIVED after trades
was it because they moved to a new system
or
they grew or something

question
HOW MANY GREAT Players in the NBA now . .. . Mr Verse
could you please name them

Rocket River

 

4 years with the worse or near worse Forwards in the league

Glenn MADADOR RICE AND WALT WILLIAMS???

Rocket River

 

Moon,

I love your optimism. Keep it up. I was one of the original "cheerleaders" on this board. All these years out of playoffs tend to wear one out.

I think the main thing we need to focus on is the fact that we cannot beat Western Conference teams with any consistancy.

We are 12-18 vs the West. We are a miserable 4-11 in our own division. I think the Chronicle pointed out that we've only won 2 games on the road vs the West.

The problem is that after 56 games, we are pretty much at the same spot we were last year record-wise. Tose 56 games were the easy part of the schedule. Out of the 26 remaining games, 22 are against the West. 11 of those are on the road. In contrast, Memphis has a 20-15 record against the West. 9-7 against the Midwest. Denver is 21-8 against the West and 8-8 against the Midwest.

If you look, you will see that with the exception of Washington, we have the worst Division record in the entire league. In the West, only the Clippers and the Suns have a worst record against the Conference.

I may have crossed the line to the dark side by becoming a "realist", but I do still hope for the best. I want them to prove me wrong. I really do. It just doesn't look good for the Rocks.

 

After watching my first Rockets game in a few months & not just reading about the game afterwards and following the live boxscore I have to admit that I am in a sad position that I didnt expect to find myself in.

I have always defended Steve and will continue to do so because I know he is a great player and he is a Rocket.


BUT........


Yesterday against the spurs he was pathetic. You know what? I dont care if he has a bad game but puts his heart into and really tries his best, but that didnt happen last night. He just 'looked like' he didnt care and he didnt want to be there. He wasn't even trying to get anything going, most of the tim he just dribbled the ball up and passed it off and left it up to the other guys to set up plays, hell, he didnt even really try and score that much.

I was shocked to see him walk out of the huddle (on two occasion that I saw) and just walk out shaking his head like he was really pissed off and had just swallowed a bunch of crap from Van Gundy.

This isnt intended as a moaning post, I am coming from a place of serious concerned for Steve. Maybe everyone is right in saying that this team isnt the right fit for him becuase he clearly doesnt appear to be happy and doesnt want to be here. The sad thing is, you just know if he was to ever be traded he would probably have the motivation within him to do exactly what WE wanted him to do, except he will be at another club and doing it against us.

 

Jordan was hampered by Doug Collins system before and after his period of success. Explain that one.

You're wrong. You asked if a players game was hampered or not. Michael Jordan was not the same player at Point guard under Doug Collins that he was at shooting guard. Michael said so in his own words. Forcing the change to shooting guard. Do you believe michael jordan himself? Being PG hampered his game. Doug Collins system hampered his game.

Even more proof I can offer you is that Doug Collins coached him AGAIN. Also playing him at point again. And this time the stats are even more revealing.

 

Those stats are the same.

You keep saying they went farther in the playoffs...Portland was in the Conference Finals the year before Pippen and lost to SA - they were in the Conference Finals the year Pippen got there and lost to LA. They also added other players (Steve Smith, notably) the year Pippen got there.

So we have a team that lost in the Conference Finals one year, then adds Pippen and some other key guys. They still lose in the Conference Finals the next year, while Pippen puts up the same numbers he did the previous year in Houston.

 

Today Steve and Jeff had a practice together with no other Rockets. They were working on his jumpshot, in an unscheduled practice.

I'm going to go with unfair.

 

610 sports said Steve practiced his jumper a bunch today with Van Gundy rebounding the ball for him. If Steve gets his jumper, he'll be much better in the offense. Steve needs to have a spot on the floor where he can get comfortable with, so he can shoot the jumper from that spot at a higher percentage.

 

Steve still has an opportunity to be much more efficient on the offensive end. There is basically 30 games left. If he gets his jumper back, it will help the Rockets getting to the playoffs and also in the playoffs.

 

Michael Jordan scored 35 points a game on 54 percent shooting one year under Doug Collins. His highest-scoring season - 37 points - came under Collins.

 

Good news of the day!!!

 

The problem with the question of this thread is that Francis is not a great player. If the player is undeniably awesome, he would do well anywhere. Pippen is not a great player either. They're okay to good players, and they will struggle in different systems.