what great player has ever been hampered by a "system"?

LOL!!! What an outrageous statement from a guy like you, who has interjected his well-known opinions and hi-jacked so many threads that you have almost 5000 posts in a little over a year's time.

Unfortunately, I think I have read most of your posts, and I have never seen you acknowledge that anyone other than yourself had won an argument.

 

It is not fair to just says SF is the cause of our failure. I don't see any of our starters doing any better other than Yao. This team has been playing out of fundamental basketball since 4 years ago. This is very difficult to change their playing style. On the other hand, Yao was playing in CBA for all his life, and had make a big stride to became a NBA elite player in just less than 2 years. Can you see the difference.

 

What exactly did MJ do since he quit playing with Pippen?

 

Well, if you add Steve to any of these three teams, they will be in finals also. 0.3ppg difference is not that big of deal.

 

put shaq in JVG's system. think he'd suffer? no. he'd still dominate.

put tim duncan in the Houston. think he'd suffer? no. he'd still dominate.

put kevin garnett in jvg's system. same result.

yet we a collective group on Yao fanatics that blame Steve for Yao's ineptitude. Yao's woes can be blamed on no one other than himself. he sucks as a center, he sucks defensively, and he'd suck as a power forward. as soon as he's no longer BYC, ship him out.

 

no I don't, and I don't put Webber in that category, or Barkley, or several other great players. Its a totally separate issue that has nothing to do with the thread. And when players get better players on their team of course they have to subject their games, its a trait that should be admired. As far as the zone hampering Steve, maybe, maybe he's just never had to defer to anyone.

 

Scottie Pippen went to the Western Conference Finals, that's my story and I'm sticking to it.

 

No and neither did Pippen. The Bulls lost to the Knicks in the simi finals. The same series that Pippen walked off the court because Jackson called a play for Kukoc.

 

Verse, welcome back, I always liked your posts. Incidently, I think (I don't know for sure) that Pgabriel is an attorney hired by Francis to scan this board daily and answer every critique made of Francis' game. Have you ever seen him post anything else? May not be the case, but really seems that way. He gets to every Francis post in warp speed. Why is he so motivated to defend Francis? He also seems trained in argumentation and debate. And Pgabriel, if you are reading this, keep up the good work, you are doing a fine job.

 

What did Portland do before he got there. What did they do when his back gave out. Is the king of "Stats are lies" now relying on stats to make his argument? LOL Can you actually say with a straight face that Pippen wasn't a better player in Portland and did more for that team than he did for the Rockets?

And as I said before, he even said himself that Rudy's system didn't benefit him. But I guess you only have stats (which you claim to hate) to rely on.

 

That's evidence that even Pippen was still better than Francis (our max-contract player).

 

Play on a horrible team at age 40...

 

But that was more about Rudy's love affair with the iso, i.e. lacked team passing or pick and rolls.

This goes into the same vein as another coach using Shaq to shoot 18 foot jump-shots instead of being in the post. I'd say that's not conducive to that players strong points. Rudy wanted Pippen to shoot 3's all day. Wrong use.

A system can effect a players ability to produce. But it's important to note that Rudy's system was limited in design. Rudy just didn't know how to design an offense that utilized pick and rolls, screens, back door passes, interior passing...

It was a Hakeem iso game. Dump it down, pass it out. Same ole, same ole! Pippen was underutilized!

 

Why are people arguing that Steve isn't a problem?? There is an almost definite correlation between Yao getting touches and us winning. There is also 4 years of lottery with Steve Francis playing his game. What the hell are you guys arguing for Steve for? Just as a counter balance for the Yao fans, most of which don't know what they're talking about, admittedly?

Just use logic. When our most efficient player doesn't get nearly enough touches (for what he brings to the table) in the 4th quarter and when our "franchise" (FOUR YEARS PEOPLE) has to shoot a desperation 3 at the buzzer to tie the game after shooting brick after brick over and over, you expect us to lay off him just because he hit ONE shot when he could've just played smart earlier and taken better shots, increasing his FG% and making the desperation shot unnessacery??? I want to win!!! Now!!!!

Things that refuse to change in the face of adversity, eventually will go extinct.

Rant over.