What EVIDENCE do we have that Morey is doing a great/good job?

I agree and i will add one for you. Utah has done it 2 times and so have the magic. Think about this, utah went through post stocton-malone and came out with Boozer(fa), Okur(fa) and Williams(top draft player). The ran the course with that team for 5 years and let boozer go, traded for jeferson, and turned Williams into 3 1st rd draft picks including the most talented guy inlast years draft. Now they havent won championships, but they have rebuilt the team, have cap room soon , and high draft picks that people would want. All of this and they have been competitive.

 

Really Leeb? Because the owner approves the direction, and essentially sets the table for Morey to eat off of....Les is driving the bus, make no mistake about it.

Morey is just the ticket taker.

DD

 

Thats bs and you know it.

 

Indeed. Which is why if you were smart, you'd have stopped being a Rockets fan back when T-Mac and Yao got injured. You should already understand that no matter what a GM do, the Rockets can't win. Why root for a team with no chance when you can root for a team with great chance? Like the Lakers or the Heat?

See, your failure is that you tried to care for a team that never stood a chance. And then get mad for failure despite knowing it was coming from a mile away. This is Morey's biggest failing. That he tried to overcome odds stacked against him and he failed. With David Stern putting the final nail in the coffin.

If Morey was truly smart, he'd use that MIT brain of his to come up with excuses rather than trying to make the team competitive.

 

Moneyball had nothing to do with Dallas winning a title. What FINALLY was that Mark Cuban STFU, got out of the way and let Donnie Nelson and Rick Carlisle and the rest of the organization do their jobs. For years, I have contended that Mark Cuban was the biggest obstacle facing the Mavericks. With Cuban out of the way, Nelson signed a real center in Chandler, added Caron Butler and Shawn Marion while Carlisle made the Mavericks play real defense. The results you can see. Cuban will always spend the money and as such his approach is the antithesis of Moneyball.

 

No it is truth, Les gives Morey freedom to do things, but under the direction he has set.

Morey has said the best way to improve is through the draft but that Mr. Alexander wants to remain competitive, so Morey has to try to do it the way Les wants to.....

Why else would you chase a 31 year old Robin in Gasol, and trade away 2 of your own Robins' to get him?

Unless you are doing what the owner wants which is giving the appearance of competing for a championship to keep butts in the seat and drive revenue.

I am convinced that Les cares more about $$$$ than he does about serioucly competing for a championship.

DD

 

Or maybe quit if its asking him too much

 

Moneyball is about discovering and exploiting market inefficiencies. That's it.

While this is a valuable tool for low-spending clubs to employ, it's not directly related to team expenditures.

 

You cannot be serious.

 

Why don't you go look at the drafts we've had, the players we traded for and tell me how we're still the 3rd best team in Texas and a lottery team for what's about to be 3 years in a row.

 

You are wrong. I tend to be of the opinion that avoiding ridiculous contracts helps a club avoid mediocrity. Our positition relative to the Pistons is proof. They are stuck in mediocrity and aren't helping their situation by offering ridiculous contracts to players like Rodney Stuckey and Charlie Villanueva. We have flexibility, and Morey is drafting well.

 

so just to be clear, you are saying the rockets have been a failure throughout morey's tenure? Noted.

and since you knew we'd have no shot at winning the past 5 years, what exactly have you spent the past 5 years on here debating?

I always have hope for this team, misguided or not. Sorry that you don't.

 

Do you really want us to? One of the other teams in Texas is built around Dirk Nowitzki. The other is built around Tim Duncan. We were built around Yao and T-Mac. Yao and T-Mac fell apart. Dirk and Duncan didn't fall apart.

 

Well the problem here is GMs don't control every variable on the teams they handle. Each GM comes into a wildly different scenario, and that's why you can't put a blanket statement that because Team X under GM Y has won a ring, then he's a good GM.

Under Otis Smith, the Magic have gotten at least 1 finals run, and they have multiple ECG appearances. Are you going to say we should fire Morey and get that guy instead?

 

Well, I'm certainly glad we're not stuck in mediocrity...

 

say what?

http://espn.go.com/blog/truehoop/post/_/id/30227/carlisle-pushed-all-of-the-right-buttons

 

Okay. Now I question whether or not you're a Rockets fan or just a troll. I said "when Yao and T-Mac went down". I didn't say 5 years. You can google timing if you don't believe me. Also, I was using failure in terms of your expectations. Not mine.

See, I enjoyed the 22 game winning streak. I enjoyed the Portland playoff series win. I enjoyed every bit of the 7 game series against the Lakers. It was great. I knew deep in my heart we had no chance after Yao got injured. But I loved it. Because I enjoy watching basketball and rooting for my team through thick and thin.

But if I were like you and judge failure as not winning a championship, I would not even exist on this board. I would be a bandwagon Lakers fan.

 

We're the 3rd best team in texas because the Spurs have TD, Dallas has Dirk, and we've had Tmac and Yao, who are always healthy in the regular season and then get injured right before the playoffs.

What does that have to do with the drafts we've had and the players we traded for? Which player should we have drafted, or should we have traded for that would have rewritten our history? LMAO y'all are complaining but don't know what to complain about.

 

That's completely false that they have been competitive throughout their rebuilds. Utah was terrible exactly in the period before they got Deron Williams. Then they became good. It's as simple as that. Whether their new young players will be any good remains to be seen. It's certainly possible they'll end up in mediocrity limbo too.

For comparison, the Rockets have been terrible once in the last 15 years, and that is right before we got Yao. Then we became pretty good.

There are very very few teams that have been successful by any means other than the draft. Honestly, the Gasol trade is about as good a trade as you could expect if you were going for a non-draft strategy, and it had plenty of warts too.

 

Not worth arguing at this point.