What does ZRB, DearRock and CBS Sportsline have in common?

Shandon opted out of a deal that would pay him 4.5 mill this year.I think just for pride he wouldnt accept less.



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Mo's numbers this season.

69 games
28.5 minutes per game
.489 shooting %
5.48 rebounds per game

I found these numbers for AC Green in the 1999-2000 season:

82 games
23.5 minutes per game
.447 shooting %
5.9 rebounds per game


Oh, Green was making 1,700,000 that year and he was released at the end of the season.


Mango


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All those numbers show me Mango is that Mo shot better from the field then Green, played more minutes, Green may have played in more games but he was useless, and that Mo (stats not shown), was a far superior offensive player. Green was cut because he was approaching 40 years old. Better rebounding doesn't = better player. Green was a rebounding specialist. And even then his rebounding was barely better then Mo's.

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[This message has been edited by RocksMillenium (edited July 23, 2001).]

 

Ugh, the occassional "Kenny Thomas is better than Mo" thing again. He must be a great defender if Duncan said so after posterizing him.

I'll take a playmaking big man who is money out to 17 feet over an undersized one who occassionally hits a set three.

Kenny's shot is so overrated. If it wasn't, Bull and Walt wouldn't have gotten as many minutes at the four as they did. FINISH a FREAKING LAYUP K-9!

Their defense is a wash IMO. Even more so now with the zone.

Playmakers are always good to have. Mo Taylor is a playmaker. Kenny Thomas is not. A playmaker under the age of 25 who likes your team, and fits your offense, and blends with the core extremely well is not something you pass on. Toronto was set to give him all their cap space last year, but Falk wanted more. Orlando wanted him, but went for T-Max instead. Seattle went after him hard, too. Mo is one of the most talented offensive 4s in the league. I kid you not. After KG, TD, Wallace, and Webber, name some 4s that have a wider array of offensive skills than Mo? He wants to improve. The reason he struggled early were several nagging injuries (I'm remember a sprained finger) that limited his agressiveness. Mo is a rhythym player, he was forced to adjust his shot, and had a difficult time grabbing boards because of the finger. Minor touch fouls also hurt.

The rebounding defense is lame. Rockets knew coming in Mo isn't going to average 10 a game. With Eddie Griffin, it's only logical to assume that the Rockets are planning to use new age hybrid combo forwards, with a SF in a PF body, and a PF in a SF body. The Rockets were small and injury marred on the front line last year that still was in the middle of the rebounding pack. If you replace a SG playing SF with a combo forward that averaged nearly 11 rebounds in college. You just got a tad bit bigger.

Unless you are really planning for 2 years down the road and plan to go cold turkey depth wise and probably go lottery, and literally having half your squad be minimum players, we won't have cap space 2 years from now. If you let Dream go or sign him to a 1 year contract, you will have over 10 mill in cap space next year, Mo Taylor and Moochie in the mix.

Mo Taylor is a starting NBA PF. Kenny Thomas is a backup roleplaying PF.

Hmm, the Kings shouldn't have resigned Webber. Scot Pollard would have made a better PF, he shot over 63% compared to CWebb's below 39% in the playoffs. Or maybe the 76ers should give up on Iverson for Raja Bell because AI shoots a hideous percentage. Point is many players have a shortcoming in some area. Mo's is rebounding. If Mo averaged 10 boards a game, he'd probably have signed a 100 million dollar contract.

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Shaq would probably agree.

 

After Shaq, Kobe and Rice squabbled about shots, very few for the rest of the roster to take. The players mentioned above were all in double figures, the rest of the roster was in single digits. How many shots would Mo have been given as the #4 option on that team?

Get Shaq or a close replica on the Rockets roster and I will stop complaining about Mo as the PF.

Pts per game

Shaq
29.7
Kobe
22.5
Rice
15.9


Projected pts per game with Shaq type player on the Rockets:

Shaq (or copy of)
29
Francis
20
Cat
18

That is 67 points and leaves roughly 33 points for Mo, EG, Moochie, Bullard etc to split.


Mo averaged around 13 points this past season?

Put a Shaq type on the roster and he would be lucky to break 10 points a game.


Mo is supposed to be peaking and we are comparing and contrasting his game against an
over-the-hill vet? How is a guy on his last legs still able to garner more rebounds a minute than a youthful Mo?


Mango


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I never understood the fascination with Kenny Thomas. Don't get me wrong, he is a solid rebounding big man off the bench, and I'm glad he is a Rocket. But he doesn't shoot that well consistently, he constantly misses layups, he isn't a scorer, he is basically a poor man's Kurt Thomas. Maurice Taylor's only weakness is rebounding, and he'll give you about 6 or 7 a game. The Lakers wanted him last year, they just didn't have the money to get him. Maurice Taylor, and Eddie Griffin together will get you, probably, about 13 to 14 boards per game. The Lakers SF/PF combo probably got them about 8 to 10 boards a game, so rebounding shouldn't be a big deal. Even our guards will push up the rebounding. The Rockets aren't going to need Mo Taylor to be a Charles Barkley, one man rebounding machine. Gang rebounding should take care of that. Meanwhile Mo Taylor is another scoring option, a low post scoring option. How many times have we said we needed that? Now that he has had a year to blend in, and get that Clipper suckness out of him he will probably push his scoring up to bout 13 to 15 ppg. He may get about 7 boards per game. He's a solid defender, and he can create his own shot. In Barkley's prime, he used to cause havoc for opposing PFs, especially Malone, because he could put the ball on the floor and take it to the basket. Mo can do that. People talk about matchup problems that Griffin causes, what are opposing PFs could to do when Mo puts the ball on the floor and takes it to the basket. With a year under his belt he will know how to fit in now.

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Put a Shaq type on the roster and he would be lucky to break 10 points a game.

That's not true. Mobley and Francis combined to get 40 points ppg. Kobe and Horace Grant combined to get about 40 ppg. SShaq wouldn't have a problem scoring on this team. Besides, on this team Mo scored 13ppg, Dream scored something like 12 ppg.

Mo is supposed to be peaking and we are comparing and contrasting his game against an
over-the-hill vet? How is a guy on his last legs still able to garner more rebounds a minute than a youthful Mo?

Nobody is comparing him to AC Green. I'm just saying that you say that a certain type of PF wins championships. I'm saying that if AC Green could win a championship this late in his career, Mo can to. I'm not worried about Mo's rebounding because it will go up (it was low for what he did the year before), and Griffin will pick up the slack considerably. But AC Green during the title run had no where near the offensive game that Mo has, so it isn't fair to compare them. Mo's offensive game opens up a ton of possibilities for the Rockets.


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[This message has been edited by RocksMillenium (edited July 24, 2001).]

 

I'm taking down this entire thread and re-posting it during the season. LOL In this offseason Mo has gone from a soft no rebounding no defense playing jump shooter to "one of the most talented offensive 4's in the league."

I also love the excuse about Mo not rebounding because of his finger. Has he had a sprained finger for 4 years straight now? LOL

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I am using the roster and stats from 1999-2000 when Green won a ring and you are using the roster of 2000-2001. Rice was traded last summer, so more shot attempts available for Grant this past season.

Since you are jumping to the past season for the Lakers, here are the stats:

Points per game

Shaq
28.7
Kobe
28.5
Fischer
11.5
Fox
9.6
Grant
8.5



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Mo has more potential than KT. He is young and can improve. He likes Houston and his role here. He was the star in LA at one point yet he isn't demanding to be one here. He plays a little over 28 minutes a game, if he played close 35-40 minutes, I would think his rebounds per game average would go up at least by 1. His defense may be lacking but its no worse than the Rockets' other option, KT.

IMHO his contract should start at $4-5 million.

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This all comes down to Dream wanting the ball, and more importantly the spotlight. We've paid him 33 million the last two years, for what, 100 games ? It is asinine for us to even conside3r paying someone 10 million a year to average 11 pts. and 6 boards a night. Not te mention the fact that he will demand the ball more then he should. I love Dream, but this is ridiculous.

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Whatever happened to Eddie Griffin being our power forward of the future??
We should just let Kenny Thomas play the 4 for now until EGriff is ready and let MoT walk. With Griffin, signing Taylor to a long term deal would not be wise. Once Griffin is ready Mo is redundant, and no longer needed.
We should give Dream his 2 year, 12 million, resign Shandon, Moochie, Bull, and let Kenny Thomas play the 4 for the next year or two.

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Hmmmm, lets see, ZRB, DearRock and CBS are all in common because they are completely short sighted, think with blinders on and put one player before the entire franchise.

I'll take Mo Taylor over KT any day of the week. I have watched KT intently game after game as I have Mo, and my opinion has not changed on KT from what it was before. Towards the end of last season, KT did improve a tad on his finishing ability on the offensive end, but its still not up to par imo. One item that became more and more obvious to me as the season went on is that Mo Taylor better suits the offense with his ability to consistently knock down the perimeter shot. KT's mid range shot just does not have the consistency of Mo's.

As far as this defensive argument. I think its completely pointless imo. Even though Mo Taylor will be listed as the PF, Eddie Griffin will match up against all the front court studs ie. Kevin Garnett, Tim Duncan, Rasheed Wallace, Dirk Nowitzki, Antonio McDyess, etc.

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You guys are far too structured on this board. We should let Mo walk because of the possibility of Griffin becoming a power forward?

Why do you structure it as the power forward has to do this, the small forward, this, etc., etc.? Put the best basketball team you can on the floor. You guys obviously think Griffin will be a post player, so what's wrong with letting him be a power forward on offense and a small forward on defense? The Rockets like to use Mo's outside game more than his inside game anyway. He can handle the ball like a guard, is lights out to 20 feet, can play inside and out... aren't many of Mo's offensive skills suitable for the 3 position? Many posters have said they'd like for Mo to be a 3, but that he isn't quick enough on defense. If Eddie's post game turns out really well and he should play there a lot, what's wrong with playing him at the 4 on offense and the 3 on defense? Eddie and Mo's games compliment each other's beautifully, and to dump Mo because of the possibility of Griffin being a 4 is ridiculous.

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No he isn't. K9 is superior to Mo on defense and rebounding. Really not even debatable, imo.

 

HP,

Out of curiousity, do you and TPL still think KT is better than Fizer?

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I agree with NikeStrand that Mo Taylor is a playmaker.

I live in Baton Rouge, so NBA is not all that popular down here. We usually get the FoxSW games, and when I do watch them with friends, the one player they notice a lot is Mo Taylor. Even though he may score only 15 pts, he creates a lot of plays and seems to have his hands on the ball all the time. He quickly becomes their favorite player.

Shandon always seems like to be the missing person on the court, so I really wouldn't care if he was gone. But if he provides defense, I think he would be well worth it.

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Mo cannot handle the ball like a guard. pffft

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Kt's defense is slightly better than Mo's - he's quicker, has better instincts, and doesn't get fooled as easily.

But Mo's offense is substantially better than Thomas'. I've never been able to figure Thomas out in that regard; he's got great moves, terrific footwork, and even a pretty shot... but the damn ball just doesn't go in.

Mo, on the other hand, can shoot better than Thomas, has better passing skills (although both are good), and is a lot better with the ball. Taylor might not have guard-like abilities with a basketball, but he's certainly better than most PF's in the NBA.

I wish he would rebound, but he's the best answer at PF right now. And just because EG is capable of playing the 4, doesn't mean he necessarily should. When guys are versatile, use that versatility to put the best 5 guys on the court.

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