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What does the future hold for race relations in America?

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by thacabbage, Sep 3, 2005.

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  1. Rocket River

    Rocket River Member

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    what would make you think that?
    H*ll .. . I think because of the Hopwood case
    their is a significant dip in the number of black
    students at TAMU . . .I know there was the 1st
    few years after. . i dunno if they got better at
    recruiting

    Rocket River
     
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  2. Icehouse

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    No, it's still the same. Only time it changes in large numbers is Hope Week (at UT).

    When did you come out of UT (pgabriel) and A&M (Rocket River)?
     
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  3. pgabriel

    pgabriel Educated Negro

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    I was at UT from Fall 93 to Spring 96.
     
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  4. thegary

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    pg, i'm on your side, even if i was in austin just a little bit earlier.
     
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  5. Sishir Chang

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    I don't believe that this was a deliberate conspiracy but in some ways why damage was so heavy in the poor areas has to do with a history of both latent racism and classicism. In most cities the lowest parts and most flood prone are the poorests because that land is the least desirable. I don't know enough about the history of New Orleans to know if that is the case but I don't find it surprising that the poorer areas of New Orleans were the first to flood and also have suffered the worst damage. They were located not only on very low land but also next to the industrial canal protected by thinner flood walls than the levees in other spots.
     
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  6. SamFisher

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    Sure, it can be..will it? And with resources from what/who? Why will they suceed where others failed?

    Canned food drives, telethons, and feel good speeches vs. 50 years of white flight - exacerbated by the "ownworldism" that the digital age allows us to exercise - I know what side I'm betting on.
     
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  7. SamFisher

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    Sure, it can be..will it? And with resources from what/who? Why will they suceed where others failed?

    Canned food drives, telethons, and feel good speeches vs. 50 years of white flight - exacerbated by the "ownworldism" that the digital age allows us to exercise, the doctrinaire liquidation of the government in the name of "efficiency" , etc etc etc - I know what side I'm betting on.
     
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    I can agree to this point. Unfortunately we then have some of the same ol sam ol., the idology that brought us to this point. I'm afraid the government haters, who in the end preferred tax breaks to levee maintenance, will choose to eliminate the tax breaks on muliti-millionaires in favor of programs such as large investment in health education to help these people help themselves. They prefer to live in an ideological world of the free lunch-- of tax breaks fror the extremely wealthy and imagined costless health and education for these people.
     
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  9. Icehouse

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    Ok. I was there for one year for grad school (2000-2001). I know folks going back to '92 though, so I'm sure we know some of the same folks (black population was small).
     
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  10. Major

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    New Orleans is going to rebuild, but the demographics of the city will be entirely different. The poor and the homeless, for the most part, are just going to settle whereever they have been moved - they have no reason to return. Wealthier investors will come in and get cheaper land. So you're going to essentially see a massive gentrification of the city. Poor slum neighborhoods downtown are going to be bulldozed, and its going to be replaced by a rebuilt, upscale inner city.

    It's actually a benefit to New Orleans, and will put less pressure on the city for social services as it looks to get back on its feet, but it's not really a model for anybody - basically it will be the equivalent of just relocating of most of the poor to other cities.
     
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  11. Rocket River

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    1990 - 1996

    Rocket River
     
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  12. MadMax

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    my business partner was saying this very thing this morning.

    my guess is that in ten years you're talking about 300,000 people living there. smaller than Little Rock, for example.

    but they've essentially shipped all their cities' welfare recipients to other towns...where they will not return from.
     
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    And this is why I think those recipients of welfare will rise above the situation and become functioning, contributing members of society. They have to...
     
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    I just got an email about a new book by UT professor Robert Jensen, that deals with this issue, if any of you are interested in his writings.

    It's called: The Heart of Whiteness: Confronting Race, Racism and White Privilege

    An honest look at U.S. racism, and the liberal platitudes that attempt to conceal it.

    In The Souls of Black Folk, W.E.B. DuBois wrote that the real question whites wanted to ask him, but were afraid to, was: “How does it feel to be a problem?” In The Heart of Whiteness, Robert Jensen writes that it is time for white America to self-consciously reverse the direction of that question at the heart of color. It’s time for white people to fully acknowledge that in the racial arena, they are the problem.

    While some whites would like to think that we have reached “the end of racism,” in the U.S., and others would like to celebrate diversity but remain oblivious to the political, economic, and social consequences of a nation founded on a system of white supremacy, Jensen proposes a different approach. He sets his sights not only on the racism that can’t be hidden, but also on the liberal platitudes that sometimes conceal the depths of that racism in American “polite society.”

    This book offers an honest and rigorous exploration of what Jensen refers to as the depraved nature of whiteness in the United States. Mixing personal experience with data and theory, Jensen faces down the difficult realities of race, racism, and white privilege. He argues that any system that denies non-white people their full humanity also keeps white people from fully accessing their own.

    This book is both a cautionary tale for those white people who believe that they have transcended racism, and also an expression of the hope for genuine transcendence.


    "Very few white writers have been able to point out the pathological nature of white privilege and supremacy with the eloquence of Robert Jensen. In The Heart of Whiteness, Jensen demonstrates not only immense wisdom on the issue of race, but does so in the kind of direct and accessible fashion that separates him from virtually any other academic scholar, or journalist, writing on these subjects today.” –Tim Wise, author, White Like Me: Reflections on Race from a Privileged Son


    "With radical honesty, hard facts, and an abundance of insight and compassion, Robert Jensen lays out strategies for recognizing and dismantling white privilege– and helping others to do the same. This text is more than just important; it's useful. Jensen demonstrates again that he is a leading voice in the American quest for justice." – Adam Mansbach, author of Angry Black White Boy, or The Miscegenation of Macon Detornay

    If you would like to read excerpts, there are several online at
    http://uts.cc.utexas.edu/~rjensen/freelance/racearticles.htm
     
    #54 thacabbage, Sep 14, 2005
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