The following are examples of human common sense: Hitler thought is was only common sense........... Stalin thought it was only common sense......... Sadam thought it was only common sense......... Mussolini thought it was only common sense...... Mao thought it was only common sense....... In India, it is only common sense that there should be a untouchable class....... Those groups in Africa that practice genocide think it is only common sense........ Eventually, you will realize that it will make "no sense" to leave it to human beings to decide what is right and wrong. God Word is what provides a True North as to what is right and wrong.
Let me give you a little inside information about God. God likes to watch. He's a prankster. Think about it. He gives man instincts. He gives you this extraordinary gift, and then what does He do, I swear for His own amusement, his own private, cosmic gag reel, He sets the rules in opposition. It's the goof of all time. Look but don't touch. Touch, but don't taste. Taste, don't swallow. Ahaha. And while you're jumpin' from one foot to the next, what is he doing? He's laughin' His sick, ****in' ass off! He's a tight-ass! He's a SADIST! He's an absentee landlord! Worship that? NEVER!
Funny how you mention that...because the Catholic Church signed a concordat with Hitler, bargained with Mussolini and as an add-on, also contributed to genocide in Africa.. Even in "God's word" one finds misinterpretation and error (sometimes deliberate to further ideological purposes) because it is always man who has the final say on God.
You are confusing God's Words with the Catholic Church, in other words Man's deeds. God's Word did not instruct anyone to do these things. Show me where in God's Words, it says to make deals with evildoers. It's no different that Islamic terrorists claiming that Allah wants them to kill innocent people. I am sure any mainstream Muslim will till you that this is not taught in the Quaran.
No probs.. More important to me, in all sincerity, is that you please please use some decent sources when it comes to religion. I am/was so disappointed with the text you pasted in the last post, it was a huge huge error which either meant that they wanted to mislead us or they are spreading knowledge without having a good understanding. That kind of stuff creates huge problems. I also used to think the stories are identical, but there are certainly some differences. The Quran, for example, attributes more miracles to Jesus PBUH than the Bible in addition to all the ones in the Bible. If you baptize someone, what is the action you are doing? The explanation you're providing seems to be of someone who IS baptized. But what does the action of baptism encompass? Maybe I'm not reading this part well. But if you are Christian (by your definition of what Jesus considers Chrisitian) and commit that sin, you push the easy button. If you are not Christian and commit that sin, there is no easy button. Right?
hey, i saw this movie too. but it sounds better when pacino delivers it than when you just read it flatly on the bbs.
Like I said, "God's word" is always perverted because man has the final say on God. If there are so many different interpretations of Christian and Islamic ideology (some of which do lead to suicide bombings or genocide), then God's word isn't so fundamental is it? You could even argue that God "intends" to put good things (although vengeance, eye for an eye and destroying the enemies of the Jews and being "a vengeful God"...meh) but that man acts on those principles and spits on them. Doesn't matter to me because it more or less amounts to the same thing I'm saying.
All those examples and no a single one from our own country! Did you unconsciously filter them out or what.
Microbes can be very entertaining. Just check out some yeast gettng busy with some sugar under a microscope.
Plus those are about as "common" as a polar bear in the desert. And besides that, people who keep trotting out those extreme examples of human misbehavior always fail to show the causality between not being religious/believing in God and those actions. The reason they fail is because no link exists, unlike with religion, where we have solid proof that people commit atrocities in the name of faith and God. None of those regimes BF listed suffered from being "too reasonable/logical"... they suffered from being the opposite, same as those who perpetrate religious based violence/misdeeds.
I find it rather convenient that anytime anything bad happens in religion its Man while anytime anything good happens its God. Whether people misinterpret things or not I think its pretty clear that many have acted with what they fully believed to be the will of some deity to commit all sorts of attrocities. Torquemade fully believed he was doing the will of God to torture nonbelievers while the Crusaders certainly believed they were doing the will of God when they waded in blood in Jerusalem.
At the sametime though a purely materialistic world view can also lead to a devaluation of human dignity and life.
Consider the Cultural Revolution / Great Leap Forward where the PRC tried to impose a purely materialistic credo. Under such a view human life was devalued if it was perceived as not advancing the materialistic vision put forward by Mao. In fact any spiritual view of humanity posessing a value of itself was even ridiculed. Also consider that many serial killers and despots have been shown to have a narcissitic and solipistic view where they only see other humans interms of what they can do for them and if they can do for them otherwise they have no value. If your basis of existence is purely materialistic then such a view makes sense because there is no reason for anyone to value anyone elses existence other than what they can do for themselves. Faith in humanity is still an act of faith since empiracally I can't prove anything more than what my senses tell me about anyone else.
None of that shows a causal link between lack of religion and materialism, or even violence. As I said before, none of those regimes listed suffered from being "too reasonable/logical"... they suffered from being the opposite (in the Mao case, worshiping a man or material), same as those who perpetrate religious based violence/misdeeds.
Think about it this way. If all I go upon is what my senses tell me then why should I care about anyother human being than what they can do for me? Why shouldn't I just go to Sri Lanka and get a sex slave, exploit some poor people or even kill someone and take their stuff as long as I can get away with it there is no value in the lives I am debasing or taking beyond that what I can prove with my senses. Serial killers like Ted Bundy were shown to think that way, along with despots like Joeseph Stalin. Your defense sounds very similar to the religious people saying that it wasn't religion that motivated people like Torquemada to commit attrocities but men twisting the message. In this case you are saying it wasn't a materialistic view just men twisting the message. Whether twisted or not in both case the primary impetus for Crusades and Cultural Revolution was an ideological view. ONe was religious based the other material.
