This is all very interesting. JC, I am pretty surprised by some of things you have been saying. Being a hippy at heart, I find it odd to read much of what you've stated in this thread. Being a "hippy-wannabe" you should also be surprised/disappointed in some of what you have said. You have admitted to stereotyping BK just from looking at him. For someone who is so sensitive to racism I find this to be mind-boggling, if not outright racial in itself. You judged someone from appearance alone. That should go against everything you believe in. Being s vet on this board, you should already be aware of the personalities of many of the other vets or regular posters. As abrasive and sometimes condescending as many of BKs posts have been in the past, he has never come across as rascist. Over time, I have brcome accustomed to Brian's style of replying to the many debatable topics in this forum. In fact, i tend to enjoy reading the reactions of those who often take what he says the wrong way. BK knows how to stir up a debate. Nothing wrong with that. Sometimes it takes a well-timed monkey-wrench to stir up a discussion or to point out another angle. I was trying to avoid being one of the many posters that seem to be trying to mediate this thing between you two. I was actually having fun reading all of this, except for all the posts that begged you two to stop. Then BK posted this morning, clearing up any doubt where he was coming from. Like he said, he never once did he say that his comment was his belief. I think that's pretty clear. BK has replied in a straight-forward, calm way. He has taken the high road on this one, while at appears that you have indeed been "left in the dungeon". Name-calling solves nothing. Stereotyping people serves no valid purpose. I'm not asking you two to kiss and make up. In fact, I wouldn't mind seeing this go on some more. Maybe coming to an understanding with each other is in your best interest. No need to make lasting enemies. In order to better understand people, you have to talk to them. To better understand an issue (racism), you have to talk about it. I have definetly learned that most people don't think like me. I've also learned that that is not a bad thing. We can all learn from each other. Being the hippy-wannabe guy that you are, I'm guessing that if someone else was saying some of the things you have said, you'd be disappointed too. ------------------
Jamcracker, I don't know how you can possibly hold yourself up as the moral compass on racism when you are guilty of doing just what racists do: judging the book on its cover, based on stereotypes and prejudices that you've built up. What the f*ck does it matter what Brian looks like? And how can you sit there and assume that by seeing and meeting him once that you know anything about the man? Oh, he's a clean cut, skinny young white dude - therefore, he is (fill in your stereotype here). What if you replace that description with "he's a black guy, so he must be (un-PC stereotype here)." I said how can you do it. But I really think I know: you did it on purpose, for the attention, or out of boredom. Admin baiting being the highest form of trolling, after all . ------------------ Bingbong was set up, led to an untimely death in the prime of his life for no other reason than pure malice. Things like that do not go unavenged. Sometimes it spills out onto the field of play.
good post SpaceCity. I wanna correct one thing. Reading his posts for a full year contributed more to my feelings about Brian than his appearance. Seeing him in person was just the last piece of the puzzle. knowing
Jamcracker, I don't know how you can possibly hold yourself up as the moral compass on racism when you are guilty of doing just what racists do: judging the book on its cover, based on stereotypes and prejudices that you've built up. Well said. I don't think I'm ever starting a political-type thread again. ------------------ http://www.swirve.com ... more fun than a barrel full of monkeys and midgets.
Thanks Jam. To me, BK is a hard person to put your finger on just from reading this BBS. What i think i know about Brian is that he is a smart guy. I also think he enjoys baiting people, which is definetly not a bad thing. It's usually fun to do that knowing that a lot of suckers are going to bite! (not calling you a sucker, or am I? ) I also think that Brian makes a lot of people think about what they are saying. He never starts a post, he just adds a sarsactic question/remark to make people think. Not too different from Will, if you are familiar with his much-missed posting style. Except that Will was never quite as to-the-point as Brian usually is. I don't think we can really get to know someone just from reading their posts. Sure we usually know how some feel about a certain subject, but do we really get to know the person behind the nickname (or real name in BKs case)? There is a world of difference between posting and talking. There are not enough emotes to get across the proper emotion involved in some of these discussions. The last thing we want on this board is for people to be scared to make a comment or state an opinion in fear that someone is going to freak out and blow it all out of proportion. I love these types of discussions. It's hard to find people that share similar beliefs or opinions as I do where I work. This forum often proves that I'm not alone in my religious beliefs (or lack of), my racial opinions, or my total acceptance of other peoples lifestyle choices. Anyway, take it easy. It's almost time for me to go home. ------------------ [This message has been edited by SpaceCity (edited May 22, 2001).]
You don't. I thought I did too until I met him and talked with him. ------------------ The internet is about the free exchange and sale of other people's ideas. - Futurama
You and Jeff have over 5000 posts apiece. Sometimes I wonder if the two of you simply enjoy seeing your names printed on the screen, thus the "get over yourselves" comment. BK and jc sling arrows and you and Jeff are there to take up the fight (or just to have another reason to think out loud via the bbs?) Let me echo what Space City and SamCassell have already said: You of all people, jammie, should not stereotype people by looking at them. You say you know BK by reading his posts. Let me ask you this: What do you think of people who leave a marriage of 15-20 years to be with someone they met on the internet, someone whom they only know thru typed messages? Do you think that is far-fetched and outrageous? I would wonder "How could they POSSIBLY know someone they have never met, but only written to?" This also has me asking myself: Did I live up to your pre-conceived idea of what I would be like when we met? ------------------ I always thought "With my talent, it's only a matter of time before I'm discovered". Now I think "With my talent, it's only a matter of time before I'm found out".
jamcracker, you have a friend here is getting attached to your comments. My goal yesterday was to steal the heat from you, because I don't really care about the moniker and people already have me pegged anyway they want anyhow. Plus, I actually had a strong conviction to continue this thread with Brian, especially since I always wanted to discuss the Miggidy censor anyhow. I figured you would rise up to a little more calm today, or at least show up with an intellectual point, like maybe being the first to say you are showing a human fault to stereotype. But man, I don't think you did, thus leaving me to really hang, when I was just trying to take temporary heat off of a friend. I have to seriously consider your comment above, if you don't rise up with something.
True. Yes. I said "Stereotypes are bad; I shouldn't have 'em" over and over again in this thread. But I can't help it. They do affect my thinking sometimes. Honestly. I wish they didn't. Why me "of all people"? I should fear being stereotyped by my appearance? I didn't have a pre-conceived notion of what you'd be like. Kagy's the only poster that consistently made me think "What kind of a person would say that?" Kagy's the only poster that made me so angry, puzzled me so often, that I spent any time trying to figure out what he was like. Honestly, I wouldn't have thought I'd have fun hanging out with a truck driving, surburban dwelling, father who works for big oil. But I was dead wrong - Behad is a super cool guy. I had a great time hanging out with him. I'm digging myself deeper by being honest and admitting that I hold some stereotypes.
You and Jeff have over 5000 posts apiece. Sometimes I wonder if the two of you simply enjoy seeing your names printed on the screen, thus the "get over yourselves" comment. BK and jc sling arrows and you and Jeff are there to take up the fight (or just to have another reason to think out loud via the bbs?) Geez, Behad, what the hell did I do to you? That's exactly why I post - because I enjoy seeing my name on the screen. I didn't ask for your opinion on this one. If you don't like it, don't read it. ------------------ The internet is about the free exchange and sale of other people's ideas. - Futurama
In a word, yes. I never would, but you should know that there are people who would take one look at that hair of yours and say "Look at that long-haired hippie dope fiend!" I find it hard to believe you have never heard nor encountered comments like that, which is why I say "you of all people". BTW, I had a good time and will be returning soon, hopefully Saturday evening. I'm just waiting to see when my boy's baseball game is gonna be. ------------------ I always thought "With my talent, it's only a matter of time before I'm discovered". Now I think "With my talent, it's only a matter of time before I'm found out".
Relax, Jeff, it wasn't said in anger. You and HP were sniping at each other for a disagreement that belonged to someone else. I just found it odd that you two continued on so, without even waiting to see what BK and jam had to say. Geez, things are touchy in here! ------------------ I always thought "With my talent, it's only a matter of time before I'm discovered". Now I think "With my talent, it's only a matter of time before I'm found out".
I can't speak for Jeff on this one, but I really think some on the board need to get over us arguing. Mabye that's not you behad. But the point is still, really, Jeff has never expressed to me that he wants me to stop arguing with him. I am not arguing with Jeff just because he is an admin. (I did once last what? Dec, and retracted it.) I disagree with Jeff nearly every time I see him post in the bball area. I always disagreed with his protection of an business that I think gives me bad customer service and product for the price. I post a lot, so does he. We are going to bump heads. So what! geez....heypee is a stupid moniker. I am not trying to take over the board, embarrass admins, and insult 4yr vets like Almu. get over it! The heypee anecdotes were cute for awhile, but move on. There is no BBS soap opera. I'm just a poster, and I want a piece of everyone's ass. I just want to win my bet against CriscoKidd, so I can smush you guys' faces into the ground. [This message has been edited by heypartner (edited May 22, 2001).]
touchy? wtf you mean Behad? Get off your high-horse bastid. (Just wait til the footy league, I'm gonna show you up) With all the tension in this thread... Anyone have any good names for me to give loser Heypard? ------------------ snap crackle pop
CK, football is for wimps! Look at all that padding they have to wear just to play. Aaaahh, my knee hurts, I need knee pads and a brace! And what's with this one game a week crap? (Sorry, I'm not a football fan.) BTW, what kind of name is Crisco anyway? makes you seem like the slimy bastid you must be! You want touchy, I'll give you touchy! ------------------ I always thought "With my talent, it's only a matter of time before I'm discovered". Now I think "With my talent, it's only a matter of time before I'm found out".
I don't know what to tell you rimmy. You don't get it. Just because shanna says this is a race issue thread does not mean I think your point above has anything to do with my beliefs. Is it like asking: Is it Christian to be more conservative or liberal? Can you be Christian and gay? Can a Christian get a divorce? You know, those things have little if anything to do with the fundamentals of accepting Jesus as your Savior, and having pure faith, and well-being in yourself. Much like your list has nothing to do with my definition of race matters. You are right. I did not offer anything to shanna's thread. But I did back up a friend in an attempt to get him to back off. I did have delusions of ability to deflect heat from him. And instead, I cooked myself royally. But, I had faith in Brian, albeit having to go through the gauntlet of Jeff and Clutch. I knew he would let me discuss my one issue that I've always wanted to ask him, why the censorship when you are so inflammatory? And I got a chance to discuss my Theory of race matters, again. My motivation was also to contrast me to Kagy in light of Almu flipping out on me with a 4 yr moment. I still don't understand why take such offense to anything. Except for those crazy jamcracker comments. I have to admit, if his point was to be very sharp tongued and in the end making the point of "We all stereotype, admit it". I have made that statement before. But I find the shock value is better aimed at yourself; like I call myself a racist. Sure I am by many standards, because I human faults to stereotypes. But you know, the put I like to make is stereotypes are not bad without knowing intent. That is the main point I like to make.
Heh... are many people here at all close to their moniker? I probably have some of "haven" in my personal life, but I wouldn't say that anyone who knows me on here knows me very well at all. ------------------ A few years back on the Senate floor... Phil Gramm: "If Democrats could, they'd tax the air we breathe." Ted Kennedy (jumping up): "By God, why didn't I think of that sooner!" Boston College - NCAA Hockey National Champions 2001
haven: define "close" close as in attached, or close as in similar to? BTW, haven I thought you would like to know this: My boy's little league team won their division (8-9 yr old machine pitch) The team name? the Red Sox! ------------------ I always thought "With my talent, it's only a matter of time before I'm discovered". Now I think "With my talent, it's only a matter of time before I'm found out".
