Really? I don't know what's allowed on this board but I have no problem making a wager with you on that. Whoever loses (if they are a man and honor their bet) will either transfer an agreed amount of dollars into the others Paypal account or will have to live with a Young or Bush sig. You have my full permission to email Clutch to confirm that i'm not IC2000. Why would I create two seperate names a be a "contributing member". That would mean I would pay $20 to talk to myself. The only thing that's obvious is that you can't deal with people with differing opinions.
Same bet or offer goes for you too. It's easy to pop your mouth off when you have nothing at stake to lose. Let's see if you're so confident in what you say that you're willing to make a bet.
Even Lou Holtz said "That's the first time I've seen someone openly campaign for a Heisman like that." Lol, I guess we're about to be the same person too.
I'm just posting a quote from Lou Holtz. Someone in a different thread used Lee Corso's opinion to validate an argument , so it's hardly unfair to use Lou Holtz's opinion on something ( somehow I think Lou is a little more respected then Corso , wouldn't you agree?)
I don't like Holtz at all but Lee friggin' Corso. That guy is the biggest tool on earth. He's not even sober when he hits the gameday set.
I didn't say you did. Someone else did because he was campaigning for Young. It's just like people here use things other people said in debates against me, things I never said, things IC2000 said and then say we're the same person. When you're in a large debate like this unfortunately others comments are used against you depending on what side you're on. I do give Mack Brown credit for voting for USc but i wonder how his team feals about that. If i were Mack I would have voted for UT.
It's not up to me to defend or denounce other posters comments directed at you just because they happen to be on my side of the debate. My comment about Holtz has nothing to do with another poster's comments about Corso, so you bringing them up to me is compeletely irrelevant.
What does Lou Holtz have to do with anything and why did you bring him into the conversation? Are you upset that Vince is "campaigning" (when someone had asked him) or that he brought up Bush's name? What makes you so mad?
Relax dude. KingCheetah observed you and IC2000 could be the same person and I brought up another item that supported that idea. You have to admit that you two are like "peas in a pod." You saw the Rockets work out the rookies before the draft (if I'm not mistaken) and IC2000 saw the practice where T-Mac was injured (if I'm not mistaken). You must at least know who IC2000 is, if you are not infact him? How many people get to see these types of practices? 10-20? Also, why would someone who does not know the answer to something make a bet against the person who does know the answer? Only Aggies bet with those kind of odds against them.
From another site: VINCE YOUNG TOTAL OFFENSIVE YARDS BY QUARTER (12 games) 1st quarter: 1,131 yards 2nd quarter: 1,210 yards 3rd quarter: 982 yards 4th quarter: 296 yards Yeah, that's right...296 yards ALL SEASON in the 4th quarter. As in averaging less than 25 yards per game. Wait there's more. - In 2 games(Ohio State, Okie State) Vince had 89 and 81 yards total offense in the 4th. That is 57.4% of his total yards in the 4th. - In 4 games he did not gain a single yard in the 4th quarter. I wonder why? Here are the 3rd quarter total yards for these 4 games: 2, 22, 18, and 31 yards. So in 4 games he had a grand total of 73 yards IN THE SECOND HALF. That 73 yards is the equivalent of 2 full games. Here are VY's TDs by quarter: 1st: 9 2nd: 14 3rd: 10 4th: 2 The 2 fourth quarter touchdowns? One with 14 minutes left vs. Tech and the other...well, if you have paid attention to Texas' season you can probably figure it out. Here's a hint: the whole country was watching.
Actually none of it makes me mad. Why does it make you so mad that people don't think as highly of Young as you do?
On this I don't have to relax. If you are going to make accusations like that be prepared for somebody to get pissed. Accusing someone of having two names and talking to themselves isn't exactly something one just brushes off. If you saw IC2000 you would know why I'm pissed (sorry I couldn't pass that up). IC2000 is Ryan Bowen and I'm Luther Head. If you're not prepared to back up what you say then why even say it? I'm not an Aggie so what you say about them doesn't effect me (that's IC2000).
http://msn.foxsports.com/cfb/story/5144430 (an exerpt) Why Vince Young deserves the Heisman Trophy ... Yeah, the Heisman race is over. Matt Leinart was my guy ever since the Notre Dame game for reasons beyond mere stats, but I couldn't in good conscience vote for anyone but Reggie Bush. He has been the signature player of the 2005 season and the best player in college football this year, but it's not as much of a slam-dunk as you might think. I sat and stared at my ballot for a solid 20 minutes before I could bring myself to write the words Reggie and Bush, but not because Bush isn't worthy. Vince Young deserves it every bit as much, and here are ten reasons why. 10. Limas Sweed, David Thomas and Billy Pittman These are the best Texas receivers. Unless you're a die-hard Texas fan, you've never heard of them. Thomas is a more-than-solid tight end and Sweed has NFL potential, but this isn't exactly the receiving corps the Longhorns had a few years ago when Roy Williams and B.J. Johnson were leading the way. Even so … 9. Young leads the nation in pass efficiency ... … as well as yards per attempt averaging 9.72 yards on every throw. And to think, many were wondering if he could grow into a consistent thrower. Young isn't just an improved passer … 8. He's still one of college football's best runners Young might not have the Gale Sayers-like moves of Reggie Bush, but he's every bit the home run hitter. Remember, not only are we talking about a player who's the nation's best passer this year, we're talking about a guy who has 850 rushing yards and nine touchdowns. While the Heisman isn't a career award, it's interesting to note that Bush has 3,087 rushing yards and 24 touchdown runs in 38 games, while Young, and remember, he's a quarterback, has rushed for 2,927 yards and 34 touchdowns in 36 games. 7. Oklahoma State If you're going to gush over Bush coming up with a fantastic performance to save USC in the Fresno State game, then you have to give Young just as much credit for saving UT's season against Oklahoma State. Fine, so OSU stinks, but it was decent enough to beat Texas Tech the week after losing to Texas. After a lousy first half and down 28-12, Young took his game to another level finishing with a career-high 267 rushing yards highlighted by an 80-yard touchdown run on the opening drive of the second half as part of a 35-0 run. 6. Matt Nordgren Matt Leinart and Reggie Bush belong among the top 100 college football players of all-time, but USC might still be in the Rose Bowl with John David Booty at quarterback and LenDale White playing an even more prominent role. No offense to Matt Nordgren, but Texas is playing Notre Dame in the Fiesta Bowl if Young didn't stay healthy all year. You don't think it's pressure to know you have to stay healthy? That's why … 5. Young is the 2005 MVP It clearly states on the ballot that the Heisman Memorial Trophy is awarded to the Outstanding College Football Player of the United States for 2005, but we all know that it's also about the most valuable player. No one player did more for his team than Young did. Quick, name another Longhorn. 4. It's unfair to not vote for Young because you think he can win it next year In 2001, many voters picked Nebraska's Eric Crouch, a senior, over Rex Grossman, a sophomore, because of the flawed notion that Grossman, who was the best player in college football that year, still had two more years to win the award. He was dinged up throughout 2002 and left for the NFL after his junior year. Things happen. Young could get hurt next year, he could choose to leave for the NFL, Adrian Peterson could rip off 2,000 yards, or a variety of other things could happen. If you think Young was the best player in college football in 2005, then you must vote him number one. 3. Ohio State There's no better win this season than the Longhorn victory over Ohio State in Columbus. If you're going to give Heisman credit to Matt Leinart for his tremendous fourth down pass to keep the Notre Dame game alive, then you have to give Young love for his 24-yard touchdown pass to Limas Sweed to beat the Buckeyes. 2. The team's dominance Before you dog the Big 12 schedule, find the conference this year that's all that and a bag of Fritos. Texas beat six teams that are going to bowls and three in UL Lafayette, Oklahoma State and Texas A&M that were close. Even so, Texas has outscored teams 50.92 to 14.58 per game. Take out the close call to Ohio State and Texas outscored everyone else by a ridiculous average of 39 points per game. The Longhorns would've been good without Young, probably 10-1, 9-2 at worst before the Big 12 Championship, but they wouldn't have been unbelievable. 1. Mack Brown Texas is 23-1 over the last two seasons, and it was unbelievable before Young arrived. However, the team never got over the Big 12 title hump under Brown and was always seen as a bit of an underacheiver. There wasn't a really big game that Brown couldn't lose, or at least that was the knock. Young has Mack Brown-proofed this team taking the heat off the much-maligned head coach. At halftime of the Oklahoma State game, Brown appeared relaxed, calm and cool knowing Young wasn't going to let this team lose. He was right. Young has busted through the Brown jinx and taken the team on his shoulders. He has become a transcendent player who belongs in the discussion of the greatest college quarterbacks of all-time, and he deserves to win the Heisman. Unfortunately, he happened to have his magical season the same year Reggie Bush did.
