No, that's not what I'm saying. I'm saying that many o the opinions here are slanted towards UT because you are UT fans. I'm not saying I'm right about everything ( although I am right about Bush and that will be proven on Saturday). Problem I have is how so many UT fans downplay Bush. Let's review shall we: 1. His team is better (however this is only used when it's conveinent for a debate, otherwise it's both teams are 12-0 and playing for a national championship). 2. He gets all the hype. Sorry, two SI covers in one year for the same player isn't something many college players can say. In fact, please name the last one who did that (commemerative issues don't count). There are other things that i have already mentioned ad nauseum
I said there was nothing wrong with him hyping himself up. I don't know how many times I can repeat that before people understand. What I said was "He does care about the Heisman" (which believe it or not UT fans actually argued that he didn't with me when we know that every player does) and that " I don't think he should have brought Reggie into the discussion. That's how all this started. Trust me, go back to the beginning of the thread if you want.
Overrated by whom? Texas fans? I think all teams overrate their players. Young's numbers this season point to him being the best qb in CFB. The fact that some would say "Young deserves the heisman" when he should be second isn't that big of a deal, no reason to get your panties in the wad over it. Overrating a player is saying "I think Rod Wright will be better than Reggie White. Or, Jamal Charles would've rushed for 1800 yards had he not been hurt." I watched the rose bowl with an Iowa St and Iowa alum. Both said they would root for the other's team against Texas and only Texas. A friend of mine turned down a wrestling scholarship to Michigan and paid his own way to Michigan State as well. That's how much he hated the Wolverines growing up. He unequivocably rooted for Michigan over Texas last year. There's some hate for the Horns out there for sure, Mr. Nuetral.
First off all, Vince was asked about the heisman. The whole season, he has kept his mouth shut and said that he doesn't care about the award. Of course he cares about the award. Who doesn't? When you're a finalist for the award that states that you're the best player in all of college football, there's no way that you can't think about it. The reason why he said all the things that he said throughout the whole season is to not make it a distraction and it ended up being the right move as the team can be more focused for the task at hand. Now that the regular season is over and voters have until today to fill out their ballots, why can't the guy stand up for himself and make his case? Was he lying when he said he didn't play all of the games into the 4th? NO. With exception to the Ohio State/Okl.St./A&M game, He would only play the first series of the 3rd quarter and then sit out the rest of the game. I've watched the interview a couple of times and I think KAS13, you definitely took Vince's words out of context. He didn't call Reggie Bush "highlight". He said that if you want a guy that makes a lot of highlights, then Reggie is your guy, he's a great athlete and a great football player. Honestly, I feel that both are just as deserving. You can't compare the two because they play 2 different positions. Vince dictates his play because he's the QB while Reggie has to have his play called for him. If Reggie wins it, I don't feel bad because the guy is a phenomenal player. I kind of hope that Reggie wins it so that it motivates Vince even more to win a national championship and come back next year to win his Heisman.
First of all, you should stay out of debates that you aren't involved in if all you have to offer is a lame attempt at trash talk (if one would even give it the dignity of calling it that). I was referring to my words getting taken out of context so much, but you wouldn't know that because you decided you'd jump in at the end of the thread with a smart ass remark and be gone.
I don't think he played McNeal. If he did, I think Vince owns Reggie in college. I think both of them had one common opponent in their senior year in high school: Austin Westlake. Check out their stats, it's not even close. What bowl game is a$m going to anyway?
You got me, I'm crying. From laughing so hard. This is the funniest post of the day. I'm not saying you aren't right, but I don't care that you don't think you're right all the time. All I'm saying is that they're both amazing talents. To say for sure that one is so much better than the other is pure speculation. So, which team do you think is better? Regardless, I haven't heard too many people downplay Bush. Someone called him an average punt returner. Oooh, harsh. Problem I have is how so many Vince haters downplay Vince. Let's review shall we: 1. He's overrated. Yet, you even agree that he deserves to be second in the Heisman and argue that most people outside Texas wouldn't vote him first for the Heisman. How is that overrated? 2. He can't pass. Except he's the NCAA leader in passing efficiency. Well, this kinda goes into my #1. So what? Are you arguing that Bush or Leinart aren't hyped as well? Newsflash: You Will Constantly Hear or Read About Really Good Players on Really Good Teams.
And the funny thing is, someone asked him about the Heisman after the CU game and he said "well, right now, let's just talk about this game. I played with a great group of guys." Kas, I'm surprised you don't hate Vince after what he did to your team in the Rose Bowl. I'm not very fond of Dallas's Roy Williams because of his domination of the Horns in 01.
Glad I can ammuse you. Everyone has been crying about how much pub Bush gets so i just felt I'd point out that young gets his share of media attention. When I call someone overrated that doesn't mean they can't be good players or having a great season. I just think in my opinion many of the comments i hear about Vince lead me to the conclusion he's overrated. Comments like: "He's the best college QB ever" "The Texans should draft him first" "He's a better QB then Leinart" ect,ect... You may have not made those comments but I've heard them enough to conclude that is overrating Young. We've already beaten the passing efficiency argument into the ground with the Leinart/ Young stuff, no need to go back. NEWSFLASH......... It was your fans crying about Bush getting the hype not the other way around. Thanks for agreeing with me though.
Nah, I don't hate him for that. He had the game of his life and Michigan blew it. I do hate Dusty Mangum. Even though I hate the Cowboys I like Roy Williams (I hate OU but like Adrian Peterson).
The only crazy comment out of those, IMO, is that he's the greatest college QB ever. There's nothing wrong with fans of a pro team wanting to draft a player from their college team. Vince will probably be a top-5 pick next year and possibly could be if he came out this year. I think there are many experts who would agree with that. He's going to finish ahead of Leinart this year in the Heisman. According to you, that makes us right. Just kidding. I don't think that's too outrageous, but I don't want to revisit that just yet.
KAs and IC2000 come from the frame of mind where more is better and loud is always right. I dont care if you dont like UT, atleast bigtexx takes his shots and is done
interesting tidbit from another board: While the Heisman isn’t a career award, it’s interesting to note that Bush has 3,087 rushing yards and 24 touchdown runs in 38 games, while Young, and remember, he’s a quarterback, has rushed for 2,927 yards and 34 touchdowns in 36 games. i think both are great! screw the heisman! i can't wait until jan. 4, 2006!
There's nothing wrong with us wanting a home town kid but he's not what the Texans need. We've gambled enough in drafts , lets try for the sure thing (or as close as it gets in Bush). I don't want Leinart either for that matter. I'm in agreement, we won't revisit the Leinart/ Young argument until after the Rose Bowl. There will be some serious crow for some people to eat.
And i don't care what you think at all or what your opinion is of me. All you did with this post is make a fool of yourself. It's IC2000 who goes to A@M and doesn't like UT, not me. At least have something to offer if you're going to jump in on a thread.
You don't give bigtexx enough credit. Bigtexx was probably busted by his boss "Quit searching the net on my computer. You forgot to windex the mirrors in the men's room." Bigtexx's "Rice rules!!" response draws another eye roll from his Longhorn boss.
It has nothing to do whether you went to a&M or not. Youre the one on some crusade to criticize VY. This "thread" is obviously part of your lame agenda to knock him. I just think its funny that the guy is just a student and he has so many haters. I mean what did he ever do to you? Does it make you happy that you can write a 10 paragraph thesis complete with flow charts nitpicking his throwing mechanics?
