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What do you think Jeremy Lin is worth?

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by HR Dept, Apr 2, 2014.

  1. haoafu

    haoafu Contributing Member

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    8 mil is reasonable.
     
  2. sun12

    sun12 Member

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    Before the Harden trade, Morey was willing to pay for Lin and Asik.

    After the Harden trade, Rox totally switched to a different direction. It is a different ball game. Both Lin and Asik are expendable.
     
  3. N/A

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    Isn't Conley or some other starting PG being overpaid right now? I forget which one it is...people are making way too big a deal about this.

    1. It's not your money, get over it.
    2. Every player gets whatever dollar amount he can get. Not like he sought this out himself either. Morey is the one who structured the deal from the Knicks who inexplicably didn't even offer a $15 mill for 3 year deal. Why does Lin get the blame?
     
  4. goyao11

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    Lin is overpaid for his current production and overpaid for his current role.
    However, Lin is underpaid for his potential production in the right system.

    If he plays 30mpg as fourth fiddle and averages 13 and 5, he should be getting around 4-5 mil.

    If he plays 36 mpg as the dominant ballhandler in the right system, and averages 18 and 8, he should be getting around 10 mil.

    He can do both, and it really is up to the Rockets which they feel is more suitable for their team. With Harden here, it might be a net negative to have him dominate the ball. In which case, his salary for his role is too high.

    If he went to play for a team with an off-ball perimeter players or a team ball system, he is undervalued.

    Therefore, his "average" value is probably something around what he is currently being paid. His resign market value will probably be around 6 mil given that a majority of teams run ball dominant 2/3s that take the ball out of the PG's hands.
     
  5. Kiddsir

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    Kobe's worth 80 mil per year contract but only get 30 mil this year.
     
  6. AVoiceInACrowd

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    It's amazing how people on clutchfans undervalue Lin. Even clutch thinks Lin is worth only 3-4 million. Forget the advertising side and just look at the production.

    Let's look at your list of everyone in the 4-6 million range.

    Mario Chalmers: 9.5 pts and 5 assists.
    Kirk Hinrich: 8.8 pts and 3.9 assists.
    Steve Blake: 4.4 pts and 3.2 assists.
    JJ Barea: 8.6 pts and 3.7 assists.
    Luke Ridnour: 2.9 pts and 1.9 assists.
    Jason Terry: 4.5 pts and 1.6 assists.
    Louis Williams: 10.3 pts and 3.5 assists.
    Jarret Jack: 9.4 pts and 4.1 assists.

    Here is "the hard truth". 4-6 million will get you on average 8 points and 3.6 assists this year. Alot of people on clutchfans really have no idea what's happening outside of the Rockets.

    For those annoying people who keep complaining about having to pay Lin 15 million next year, look at it this way. It means he only got paid 5 million a year for the last 2 years where he averaged 13 points and 5.2 assists. That's way above the avg. of what you can expect to get from the 4-6 million range. So stop whining about something that hasn't happened yet (maybe he'll get traded).

    Now talking to the people who actually know stuff about basketball and are looking at the 8+ million on the cap hit. Last year, production wise he earned his money. He didn't miss a regular season game and was third in win/share for a playoff team (according to Morey), while putting up solid stats. Look at the next 2 point guards who got paid more than Lin last year, Mo Williams and Devin Harris (http://espn.go.com/nba/salaries/_/year/2013/page/2.) Now those are the fans who should complain.

    This year, Lin isn't earning his 8+million. Missed games and lower production and lower asts/to ratio are the reasons why. He is coming off the bench for half the season and now is the 4th/5th option, but the reasons don't matter. It's about the production. This year he is around the 6 million mark (Jarret Jack range. Lin had more points and assists with better true shooting %).

    What is Lin worth? I think Lin's next contract will be around the 7-8 million a year range. Why, although there are a lot of good point guards out there, it only takes 1 team to offer him that much. On the right team, it will be a bargain. For the Rockets, it would be too much because he isn't a good fit.
     
  7. bonny1

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    5 mil this year, not overpaid. 8 mil, a little bit for his current role
     
  8. Hrock

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    And somehow...your post is going to go ignored by haters. His play has been hard to watch this second half of the season but in terms of salary and production this should put it in perspective.
     
  9. bobloblaw

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    Let's see how he ranks among PGs:
    PTS: 12.5=21st
    FG%: DNQ, .444~13th
    3PT %: .342=33rd
    FT%: .815=15th
    TS%: .567=13th
    Assist Ratio: 23.7=46th
    AP48: 7.0=35th
    AST/TO: 1.67=48th
    Turnover Ratio: 14.2=65th
    TOP48: 4.2=23rd
    STPG: 0.91=27th
    STP48m: 1.5=38th
    ST/PF: 0.41=39th
    ORR: 1.7=51st
    DRR: 8.1=54th
    REBR: 5.1=51st
    PER: 14.22=36th (below league average of 15.0)
    EWA: 3.0=31st

    Based on the stats Lin is probably in the 30-40 range of PGs. His best comparison contract-wise would be Jose Calderon (a stretch) or Jarrett Jack. A fair comparison would be Mario Chalmers who makes $4 million/year. He deserves more than Chalmers due to his youth, marketability and TS%. So $5.5-6 million is more than fair. I wouldn't want the Rockets to sign him though.
     
  10. Sports2012

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    Totally agreed. I was thinking to do the same research on pay, ppg and asssists.

    Lin never asked to be the backup PG. He signed with the Rockets with the understanding that he would start. I am sure if he had known he would be demoted to be the backup, he would have signed with Knicks even for less money.

    If people think he's worth only 3-4 mils because he a backup PG, they need to remember it's the Rockets coaches who made that decision in the name of better fit. Lin has been graceful enough not to complain about it, despite knowing his worth has been reduced by that.

    That's also why Asik asked for a trade immediately after he learned that the Rox had signed up Howard. He knew his perceived value would be reduced if he became a backup center even if he still played at the same level.

    Morey would likely let Lin walk after his current contract expires. For Lin's next contract, I think 7-8 mils is about right for him to start.

     
  11. RocketsFido

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    Just get Lin out of Houston so we don't have to another Jeremy Lin thread again.
     
  12. T-Yao

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    If you really think Lin is worth nothing, then you don't know anything about basketball. Yes he's not worth 15 mil but not nothing..
     
  13. bobloblaw

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    The point of the this thread is to determine what this "not nothing" is. Failed post.
     
  14. Karolik

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    6 mil....is his "true" worth...but since some teams like to overpay players I can see him maybe getting 8 mil.
     
  15. aurocketfan

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    a bag of chips.

    Probably 5 mil depending on how good his agent is.
     
  16. Doktor Mndbndr

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    Lin's next contract could range anywhere from minimum to slightly over $8 million, depending on recovery from back injury and how he performs next season. His back issues could be chronic, or disappear entirely in a full recovery. And it is at least plausible (although not highly probable) he can perform at pre-injury level for an entire season, putting himself again into the running for 6th-MOY award and possibly even win. Which would net him a nice contract and a starter role elsewhere. OTOH, he might not recover and be basically done even as a rotation player in NBA. It's not rare at all for athletes to lose their elite athleticism to career-rippling or career-ending injury.

    So, the answer is still just "TBD" - to be determined.
     
  17. Nanisteru

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    Between 5-8 million.
     
  18. Exiled

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    he should be paid in chinese currency since he is going to the sharks.

    meanwhile , he should not make more than casspi
     
  19. highlander3128

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    OR get yourself out of the Clutchfans forum, so you don't have to read any Lin threads. :grin:
     
  20. R0ckets03

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    Lin should have an entire forum dedicated to him.

    That way I don't ever have to read a thread on a garbage player such as him.
     

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