Here’s something I just read. The Wood extension is capped at $77M/4yr? I’m not an expert on extensions but if true that’s quite an undervalue, despite whatever issues ppl may have with Wood’s game. That;s less than Capella money and Wood is a better player. Rox should offer the extension and if Wood accepts it (which is 50/50 IMO), then that’s it. I believe he can’t be traded after that for awhile, but again I don’t know much how extensions work. Would appreciate if someone brings in some clarity.
i disagree that wood is worth 19 million a year and also that he's better than capela. Wood is worth about 14 million a year. Fools gold. a net negative on defense who needs to be paired with a draymond green type on defense. Wood looks good against bad teams but is not someone you bulid around. He's a nice guy to have off the bench on a good team. If he ever gets to play in the playoffs you'll see all of his flaws magnified. We'd be fools to waste our capspace on him. He has been playing better lately though....
You don't think Wood is better than Capela? I think he is miles ahead of Capela. I remember when Capela was a detriment in the 4th Qtr., still is. I recently watched him play and he has the exact same game. Wood is too skilled, he does everything. That's why I don't understand why people want to trade him. He's just now starting to develop a relationship with KPJ and their games are developing as well... we can see the improvement. I don't mean to downplay Capela, because I like him but I just don't think any GM will pick Capela over Wood. Wood is going to get between $30M - $35M and I think the Rockets will pay it.
Right, but that’s in 2023. Extension is capped at $19M this year. Depending on how he, his family and his agent value certainty over risk he may or may not take it. But it’s a no-brainer to offer it, and I believe (though I may be wrong)that if he takes it he can’t be traded this year.
I only want to trade him because we might be able to get a first round pick. His defense is suspect, as is his bball IQ. But he’s on a great contract that will unfortunately expire before our core is likely to “figure it out.” And he’s not THAT much of a game changer to warrant the higher salary he will probably demand at that point if he plays like has — floating around 20-10. It’s a timeline thing. also, sengun.
No they are about the same. Wood is all offense, capela is all defense. Capela got lucky and got paid cuz he was playing with the rockets and then traded to the hawks and team that needed his defense. capela needs to be the lone defender in the starting five that can't shoot along with four other offensive players. Wood needs to be the weak link on defense surrounded by four good to great defenders. the problem is, his offense doesnt justify his lack of defense, nor does it justify building your team around. He looks good against bad teams, but against the good teams, he's exposed. He's best suited as an off the bench guy who can put up points(while also giving away points), to run out the clock until the starters come back in. Any team paying him that kind of money aint winning no chip.
Great to see CW buy in. Still, I'd sell into this. Lack of sustainability...If he would play with that kind of fockass/effort every night, maybe. But, then there's the constant threat of injury...to those weak ankles. Illustrated again last night. Still see 2-3 first rounders as being farfetched?
beyond farfetched. Again, the biggest issue is that only a dumb/bad team can trade for him. No team that’s trying to win a title will want him because he’s worthless come playoff time so the market is severely limited for him.
Which team/s in the NBA have a "need" for Wood? No lotto team is paying a first. So we are talking playoff teams only. Of those team, only Charlotte might think he is worth a gamble - they run a high octane offence, and often play small. Wood might fit there as their big. If I'm Charlotte, no chance of 2 firsts. Perhaps 1 and flipping on one of the 2nds they are owed?
I disagree to an extent This 'pick stockpiling' type of a rebuild is a brand new approach being simultaneously pioneered here and up in OKC Since both are still in the infancy stage, there is no data to debate it's merit or effectiveness yet I am intrigued to see how it plays out, and have high hopes, but nobody has any valid evidence to back up conclusions either way Presti and Stone have established their Theorum, and are now grinding thru the Proof phase in their respective think tanks Philly's 'The Process' method is constantly referenced as proof that tanking doesn't work in the NBA, but is not really the same procedure Their plan was to compile top3 players, drafted one at a time over 4-6 consecutive years This was more similar to Luhnow's Astros blueprint, the 'conventional' definition of rebuilding by tanking The new Stockpile tank instead tries to build a warchest of universally attractive trade assets in FFRPs, not meant to assemble a 15 deep roster of recent high lotto players The advantage here is the ability to combine these assets in order to have fluid mobility, both on draft night and the trade market This allows the team to target specific players on their draft board and move around to acquire them at the proper valuation ( draft slot ) We just witnessed this payoff in the move up to steal Sengun at #16 NFL teams have been drafting this way for years, this the infamous draft pick equity charts that are standard now All teams know that moving up, or trading down, from #N pick to #O is going to cost a package a of additional later picks #X, Y, Z I like the innovative application of this method to the NBA OKC has 20 something FFRPs already over the next 4-6 drafts Obviously those 20 rookies will never suit up for them, much less simultaneously The master plan is to use those 20 premium assets in combination to target and acquire a core group of maybe 5 premium players For example, perhaps they manuever up the board to draft 3 potential cornerstone rookies, then combine some of the rest with existing contracts to swing other deals in exchange for 2 more promising young veterans This is an accelerated rebuild timeline, not needing the longer window of purposeful suck to accumulate the required critical mass of young talent needed to 'turn the corner' and transition from rebuild to contention Presti got a jumpstart by finding a core piece in SGA in the Pierce deal Poku was a sly back of the first rotation guy Dort exceeded expectations by becoming a pleasant surprise and now looks like a stout 2way starter on a contender down the road Clearly he targeted Giddey as the next building block, joined by future role player Mann later on He should have stayed put to add Sengun, but even the best can't nail every move He may identify Paulo as the guy he has to add this year, and if it costs to additional FFRPs to make sure he gets him, so be it Perhaps next year it's Wenbanyama at #1, and he packages 3-4 more picks to jump all the way up there The final move could be an All-In type deal to compete his vision with another young vet star, like future DPoY winner Jonathan Isaac, sending ORL another combo of picks So the net result of those 20+ stockpiled picks could look something like this: C - Victor PF - Paulo / Poku SF - Isaac / Dort SG - SGA PG - Giddey / Mann That is a fantastic young 8-man rotation ready to make some noise The Stockpile method, in this scenario, also perfectly illustrates it's 2 key advantages: - Elimation of lottery random effect Rather than hoping for ping pong luck, he ensures he gets his 3 core rookies in Giddey, Paulo & Vic via the fluidity to move around the board on draft night - Flexibity to be opportunistic and acquire best team fits in vet trade market Nothing is more valuable now as trade capitol than unspent picks SGA+picks was a home run prize to launch the teardown, but he lucked out in having Pierce as a very desirable asset already in place to demand He then flipped franchise icon Russ for the infamous CP3+picks haul Adding twilight phase Paul to a total rebuild seemed an odd fit, especially coming off a down year in HOU Presti shrewdly surmised that a year of rebuilding his trade value, while teaching the young bucks a thing or two, would yield even more FFRPs, and he nailed that too Now only 2.5 years in, he has: - 2 core pieces in place already with a fantastic young backcourt - 3 young role players that could be major playoff contributors coming off the bench - A seemingly endless warchest of future picks to hand pick his frontcourt of the future over the next couple of drafts - Massive cap space to fill out the roster with any vet FAs he targets to plug specific roles and complete the turnaround I think he's done a brilliant job up to this point Harden was our Pierce chip, and while we didn't get an SGA-level player, the package of picks could become comparable if Kyrie and James force a similar teardown earlier than expected in NY KPJ and KJ Martin were both low-risk flyers that may yet pay off, similar to Poku and Dort Stone's first draft has yielded mixed results early on, but substitute Mobley for Green, and I'd say he had a brilliant draft Green and Alpi's untapped upside bring hope that it could still become an all-time great draft class, even if Jalen's been a minor disappointment to date I see Josh and Usman as valuable bench guys with important roles down the line I'd take our 4 over Giddey + Mann Sure would be nice if we still had all those OKC picks from CP3, but that's not on Stone If he can flip EGo and Wood into another 2-3 FFRPs, our stockpile could yield a great young core in place as soon as Opening Night 2023 Just gotta continue to hit on the picks we make next 2 drafts, and bring in the right coaching staff to properly develop all this young talent Please Lord, I don't ask for much, but could the next draft somehow bless us with Jabari? I wouldn't mind Kendall Brown with the later FRP either Personally, I'd love it if Stone used some of those assets and targeted Dejounte Murray as our key young vet trade addition Let's KPJ run bench unit as the 6th man while adding the floor general this team desperately lacks to guide the raw teenagers development and teach them how to win at the NBA level IMO Dejounte is perfect for this role: - Bargain contract that won't be hard to salary match - Groomed under Pop, he can import the 'Spurs Way' to establish a winning team-first culture - Elite defender with rare PG size to mark opponent's primary creator - Elite rebounder for any G, the best at PG in the NBA (excluding miscast point forward Simmons) - Steady primary ball-handler to run the OFF and maximize strengths of Green and others - Solid off-ball as well, very reliable catch-and-shoot ability to play off Green's penetration and Sengun's high-post facilitating I see you Thunder, but before you start booking Finals 2023 arrangements, I raise you with this potential new Rockets rotation: C - Sengun / Garuba PF - Jabari / KJ SF - Kendall Brown / Tate SG - Green / Josh PG - Dejounte / KPJ See you in Htown for WCF Game 1 in 18 months
First off great post. That was really well thought out and even if people disagree it’s a strong argument that has to make you think about that as a viable option. The counter to this would be if you are holding the #1 overall pick in the draft and you think it’s a 2 player draft why would you drop from #1 to say #4 but get back 2-3 more picks in the same draft? Honestly that’s not why I am responding though. My real question is who the F is Pierce? Don’t you mean Paul George?!
I don't see Wood being traded as a single player move anymore. I think the FO is going to try to put together a package with Wood and others, maybe even some of our picks, for a major upgrade. If that doesn't pan out, Wood alone probably won't get the return any of us wants.
Great post! If I'm stone I'm eyeing Washington hard as a landing spot for Wood. They need short term success about as bad as anyone to convince Beal that DC has a future. I'd try and play Charlotte as well (since both are competing for the last spots in the east). I've posted several times but Wood for Bryant (expiring), former lottery pick Hachimura and a swap of Washington's first with our Miami/Brooklyn pick seems fair for both sides.
I don't think Washington does that deal. They're bullish on Bryant. He's young and just returning from an injury. In the limited minutes he's played, he's showing a lot of the upside he had before he went down. The more realistic pieces I see Washington willing to depart with are Bertans, Harrell, KCP, Avdija, Neto, Hachimura and maybe Dinwiddie for the right guy. So if I'm looking at a Wizards deal and presuming they have interest in C Wood, you're more likely to trade Wood for Harrell, Hachimura, and a lightly protected FRP. Harrell is an expiring contract, so he's gone after the season and you clear 8M in cap room. Hachimura has a team option for 6M next year, and I imagine that would be exercised. And your FRP in this scenario would likely be in the 15-25 range. Is that enough of a return for Wood? I don't know. Part of me would be disappointed with the return. But that's probably where his market value is at. It is because of his market value that I think he's more realistically going to be packaged for someone else. Reports say the Rockets are going big game hunting, and if that's true, Wood is going to be a key piece of that bigger deal.
I agree with the idea behind this post ..... But I think you took my post out of context and the partial quote left out the meat of the idea. I'm not against the collection of picks to use to grease the wheels of time. I'm all for collecting as many picks as possible. What I said was that we already have a very young roster and having multiple picks in the next draft could be counter productive in that opposing GM's devalue your picks to some degree knowing you can't add 3 more rookies to this roster. They have two picks currently, if they move EG for a pick (Thats all they'll get, not 2 or 3) and Wood for another .... that'll be 4 picks and teams know you have little choice but to somehow consolidate them immediately. You are not going to add 4 more rookies to this roster, adding two would be difficult. In light of that, my original point was to push the return of those picks out a year or two, into the years your roster isn't so congested. You still have the same number of picks, maybe even more for taking future picks instead of immediate payout and more flexibility to consolidate them before they expire .... Collect the picks, as many as you can but let's not devalue our own assets by being too asset rich in a single draft.
Right on Agree I'd also prefer 1 FRP this year and another next Would probably (hopefully) leave us in basically same place we entered draft night last year A top3 plus 2 somewhere around #20-25 They go Jabari / Paulo / Chet top3 (in that order for me) I'd like to see them pull another Sengun move up inside late lotto #10-15 using both of the laters and third of our worst FFRPs I really like the wings I expect to be on the board here: Kendall Brown Dyson Daniels Keegan Murray Johnny Davis Kendell Moore My ultimate best-case pipedream scenario would be to move up even a little higher into #7-10 range if AJ Griffin somehow drops that far But I think he'll end up contending with Ivey to go 4th or 5th I'd probably even go to 4 FFRPs if we could snag him A new forward tandem of Jabari & Griffin would be absolutely perfect lined up next to Green and Sengun 6'10" Klay Thompson and Jimmy Butler's clone would wreck havoc defending the perimeter and bombing away from 3
