I've asked several times. I am not a Biden supporter. In fact, a part of me wishes somebody would be able to put forward real evidence so that he would bow out of the race. People have acted like it's common knowledge that Biden did something wrong regarding Ukraine and people have implied he did the same thing as Trump regarding Ukraine. But nobody has shown how he did the same thing as Trump or what he's actually done. I'm tired of topics getting derailed with people bringing up something Biden supposedly did but then dropping out of the conversation when asked to bring up the specifics. Now's the chance. Let's slam Biden with all of the evidence of everything he's done wrong. Let's put it out now.
Biden didn't do anything illegally wrong. He was stupid to not understand the appearance of conflict of interest with his son being a board member of a Ukrainian gas company while being the point man in Ukraine relations and rooting our corruption. Obama shouldn't have allowed Biden to be the point man for that operation. Also, Hunter Biden being a board member of a gas company with no experience is just a small example of the rampant issue of nepotism in our society that the current administration is drenched with. Joe Biden is kinda like Trump lite in that he doesn't have amazing self-awareness.
Come on dude. Use some common sense here. What would make Biden's act of requesting the removal of Shokin, the former lead prosecutor in Ukraine, a abuse of power? If the removal was meant to benefit his son. The Ukranian Prosecutor General Viktor Shokin was under investigation by the IMF and several other Western allies for corruption. He was in fact criticized for doing a superficial investigation of Burisma, the oil company Biden's son was a board member of and in fact FROZE the investigation into Burisma. A year later, the Obama administration, the IMF and several other European leaders advocated to press the Ukrainian government to force Shokin to resign. Biden was performing an action at the behest of the Obama administration, the IMF and many Western allied leaders to convince Ukraine of this which the administration was successful in. First, Biden was going against his own son's interest by advocating to remove a corrupt prosecutor who shut down the investigation of Burisma a entire year earlier and second, the IMF, and Western foreign powers couldn't give two ***** about Biden's son thus this was a policy advocated by the US and NATO nations. REPUBLICAN SENATORS wanted Victor Shokin removed. Biden's actions were in the interest of US offering policy, not against it for personal gain like Trump's actions when freezing military aid to Ukraine... You know the part that actually makes it illegal. Is Biden's son a beneficiary of rampant nepotism? Yes. Biden has little qualifications being a board member of an oil company. Is Nepotism illegal? Unfortunately no or else Ivanka "Give me those Chinese Trademakes because I'm the president's daughter" Trump and Jared "Middle East Peace Negotiator" Kushner would be indicted for the same charges. Also, apply Occam's Razor. Why would Biden be proud to openly admit to removing a corrupt prosector if it was for the purpose of protecting his son?
The optics certainly suck, but it's only nepotism if Joe Biden helped him get the job. His son is 50 years old - its doubtful his dad was involved in helping him find a gig. It's no different than Congresspeople taking lobbying jobs after leaving DC. Or NCAA teams hiring kids' dads as coaches when trying to recruit the kids. They aren't hired for their skills or expertise. They are hired for their connections. It's a terrible system, but it's pretty universal throughout politics. The only real issue would be if Joe helped arrange the job. I'm also not sure about this one either - I'm not sure it's a 70 year old dad's place to tell his 50 year old son what jobs he can or can't take. I don't know that we've ever before judged a leader on what their adult kids do. I do agree Joe has done a terrible job explaining anything relating to this and just letting it linger - so if that's what you're referring to, I'm 100% in agreement.
Right, so you posted a video that we've seen before. What did he do wrong in that video? The video might be great evidence to back up what he did wrong. But please put in words what you think that video shows. What Biden did was put pressure in a coordinated effort with allies and the IMF to remove corruption which according to Trump is a good thing. He did not (unlike Trump) ask for a personal political favor in return. He did not make the release of the money conditional on a personal political favor (unlike Trump).
I don't like it but it isn't illegal or impeachable. There may be things that happened with them such as unwarranted security clearance that might be impeachable, but we've only seen articles on it and not enough of an investigation to bring it up. But again we are talking about what Biden did wrong.
That's what's funny - is that they were trying to remove him for not investigating Burisma - if there was corruption involved Biden would have protected his son from investigation, not the other way around.
Putting relatives in government positions is one thing (see Bobby Kennedy), but what Trump has done is something on a level we have never seen, and we'll be learning for years the deep level of self dealing & corruption with Jared, Ivanka, and the Trump org. https://apnews.com/0a3283036d2f4e699da4aa3c6dd01727 https://www.theguardian.com/comment...shner-cadre-corruption-ethics-foreign-funding The China trademarks alone are something that is incredibly worse than what Biden is accused of doing by innuendo. Just think about how bad it looks to START a trade war with China, and then bam you get a waterfall of trademarks to your family company, and then shortly after a trade agreement (albeit fake one at this point in the "phase one" nonsense). Why the Trump family corruption isn't a huge story is a mystery to me.
Ya, the Chinese trademarks are a far more obvious and blatant form of corruption based on nepotism than whatever Hunter did as a board member of Burisma.
Biden should have put his sons in the white house as advisers for the vice president, then everything will be fine.
So far the evidence present of Biden having done something wrong has been zero There is a possible appearance of nepotism which isn't prosecutable and is far less than the current president's nepotism. Also, there hasn't been any real evidence that Biden played a part in it.
Hunter is a secret CIA asset who is sent to hot spots around the world to keep foreign government malarkey to a minimum.
Because the "whataboutism" strategy works so well with his supporters (and by proxy, all Republicans).
Occam's Razor would also apply to Biden just being Biden. He seems to say lots of things he shouldn't, and brag about things he shouldn't, all the time. Would you apply the same logic to Trump? Why would he be proud to openly admit to investigating corruption in Ukraine if he was doing it solely for political purposes (which, btw, would then defeat the whole purpose)?
