He asked Stern about the providing additional details on how informed he was about the gasol trade (original offer and counter offers)and the level of discomfort of having a role of success in one team which might lead to a rooting interest?
Exactly, and that is the other thing that bothers me about what Stern did: He basically sent out the message to any team and also to fans that it is ok to tank...which, in reality, is unsportsmanlike. So he encourages unsportsmanlike conduct. Sadly, I have come to the conclusion that it is probably the faster way for us to get back into contention at this point, which is why I am half-jokingly and grudgingly for the first time considering to be in favor of tanking myself. Not losing on purpose, but not always playing the best team to win the game, but instead "developing the young players". Ugh .
Keep in mind the Hornets are also having to send the Clippers 2 future 2nd round picks. Yeah, that's not much, but I haven't seen it mentioned. I voted for the Clippers. If I was competing this year, I'd take Martin over Gordon, but building for the future, I'd take Gordon. So for the Hornets.....Gordon > Martin Centers are harder to come by (as we all know here) than power forwards. That alone makes, in my opinion, Kaman more valuable than Scola. Add in the fact that Kaman is an expiring contract, and that puts him ahead of Scola. Kaman > Scola Is there any question that the Minnesota pick is better than the NY pick? By far! I don't recall if the Lakers were adding in any picks....I don't think they were, but even so, it would be a very low one, and I'd still rank the Minnesota pick ahead of the Lakers and TWolves picks. Even though this goes against what I said in the Martin versus Gordon debate, I have to say that I would take Odom over Aminu. Odom could easily be moved, and his contract actually decreases next year. You know what he gives you, and he is the reigning 6th man of the year. The other place I'd rank the Rockets/Lakers trade ahead of the Clippers is what I mentioned earlier. The Hornets agreed to send 2 future 2nd round picks to the Clippers. No big deal, but it's something. So in my opinion, the Clippers win (Gordon, Kaman, 1st rounder) > (Odom, 2 2nd rounders). Not to mention the others involved in the trades, I just listed the winners of each comparison. Pugs
Ok, this guy is just a classic case of homer. EVERY single GM would take Gordon over Kevin Martin right now. Not saying Kevin isn't good, but Gordon does more, and you have to remember kevin martin did not play with any stars, he was basically getting the shots he wnated, there was no 20 point scorer even on the team. Eric gordon played with Blake griffin, then PGs like Baron DAvis and Mo williams-both shoot first PGs. IF in a flip situation, he could already be a better scorer, he does more, he has more potential. I think you and maybe...maybe..DAvid Kahn would find a reason to choose kevin martin of Gordon. Hornets need to rebuild. They were getting three good starters, neither of them is a good 1st option. So they would not even make the playoffs, not shave payroll, not get younger, just be an underaverage team in return for a top 5 player in the game? Are you kidding me, this gives them potential, wins, potential star power. It is not evne close
Getting a starting 1, 2, 3 and 4...with a pick > starting 2, 3, and a 5 you might amnesty...with pick That's how it was w/o money involved. That said, Gordon's upside, mixed with Aminu still being a kid, with a possible pick being near the top...NBA couldn't say no to this. I don't agree AT ALL with what they did, but they got the deal they wanted.
I am not ashamed of being a homer. The Rockets are my team and always will be. But to just say that Eric Gordan is hands down better than KMart is not respecting a top 10 scorer that is the 2nd most efficient scorer in the league and did it as the leading option. Eric Gordon put up the type of numbers this year that KMart has been doing for an entire career. Keep hating on the Rockets Players because it is the fasionable thing to do on this board. No problem. And for those that say Gordon is as good as both Martin and Scola.... you have lost all credibility.
Yea, that is why I am evaluating objectively, because it is fashionable thing to do. Do you even hear your logic? Ok Kmart has done it throughout his career, Eric Gordon did it last year and is much younger and only getting better...what Gm wouldn't take that in everyway, he is more of a play maker and better in defense. I root for the rockets, but I am a realist, I am not going to say they are better than they are and pretend like an idiot. I hope they win and I always hope they win, but the fact is we don't have a stud on our team, its just reality. Just because you are a fan of a team doesn't mean you have to blind to what is objective
Clips easily. If I had a game tomorrow I would take Kevin Martin over Eric Gordon. If I had to build a franchise from ground up I would take Eric Gordon easily.
truth be told, David Stern should be nominated for NBA team executive of the year 2011-2012. He got fair value (and maybe then some) for a star demanding to be traded. Not that easy.
That's irrelevant. The point is that people on this website, probably you included, don't watch much basketball beyond the Rockets, which is why they're generally uninformed when it comes to other teams and players. You're exaggerating here, but Eric Gordon has more value than anybody on the Rockets' roster. While Jordan is no "Ray Lewis with a basketball," the reason people want him on the Rockets is because he's exactly what this team lacks in the middle: a center who blocks shots, rebounds, and clogs the paint. Here's a newsflash for you meh: Blake Griffin is vastly superior to anybody the Rockets have. Nobody is belittling anybody. Take off your homer glasses and stop being so sensitive and emotional. The consensus is that the Clips package was better than the original one involving the Rockets. People are actually being objective, which, for some reason, is upsetting you. Here's another news flash for you: The Rockets team last year maxed out their talent, but the Clippers were nowhere near doing so. Plus, if you can trade an up and coming star for a legit superstar who is arguably the best pg in the league, you don't think twice, you do it.
The Clipper deal is "better" if you are looking at buying the Hornet franchise: arriving and maturing assets vs fading assets.
The Clippers gave up a lot. That pick from Minne next year could be a top three pick. Gordan is a legit young star. And Kaman is one of the better centers when healthy. Stern held out for a better deal. If he was just an owner he would be considered to have done the right thing. However, the problem is that he is also the commisioner of the league and has done something that is a blatant conflict of interest.
I voted the Clippers' offer for where the Hornets are now, but some folks are way over-selling it. Gordon/Aminu/Kaman will be lucky to be as good as Martin/Scola/Odom are right now. But, their horizons are longer, and they give a new owner more flexibility for a rebuild. If the Hornets took the HOU/LAL deal, they'd have to flip those guys later for younger assets anyway, and would have probably lost some of their value in the process. That's why the Clippers deal is better, not because the talent itself is better. Kaman's only real value is in being able to play center. Scola is better than him now and will continue to be better for the rest of their careers. Scola's career will probably be longer too, because Kaman is starting the break down. Gordon can score, but Martin's abilities as a scorer -- and an efficient one -- are always underappreciated here for some reason. Maybe Martin shouldn't be a team's primary option, but Gordon will be lucky to be as much of a benefit to a team as Martin is right now. And Aminu is a big question mark. He could end up much better than Odom or much worse. Minnesota's pick probably won't be top-5. They have enough talent and they have Adelman, so I don't see that happening. But, that pick should still be better than NY's pick. And, it may end up being the most valuable of the assets, given the strong draft.
Something else worth pointing out: In the LA/HOU/NOH swap, it was a bit of an open question as to whether LA was really benefiting getting Paul but losing Odom/Gasol. Same with Houston gaining Gasol but losing Martin/Scola. In this deal, the Clippers giving up Gordon/Aminu/Kaman is a complete no-brainer. It's funny that the Clippers offer the concensus best package but still get the most upside from the return package. The synergies in this deal are much better than in the HOU/LAL deal.
I really think the LAL / Rockets offer was better but I can't find fault in your logic. It does make since to me. If Gordon contines how he played last season and Aminu starts playing like a lottery pick and not an in-drafted free agent and if both their pick and the Minny pick turn into high lottery pick I could this turning into a very good trade for NOH.
