That Josephus, Shimon Peter and Paul of Tarsus are contemporary Jewish historians? Except that Josephus was born in 37 A.D.- two or three years after this Jesus person died on a cross, while Peter and Paul were both born 37 years earlier around the same time as the so-called Messiah. Shimon Peter and Paul of Tarsus both died in 64 A.D. in Rome, one beheaded and the other crucified upside down. Josephus was a 27 year old lad at the time. It would be 11 years before he would publish The Jewish War, and 30 years before he would publish Antiquities of the Jews.
Now I still don't know what you did say, but can speak with some authority about things that you didn't say. And this is something that you didn't say. In fact, it had to be pointed out to you by others. One page ago, you were claiming that Josephus was Roman and not at all a such Jew like Peter and Paul. A page before that you claimed that historians from after 440BC weren't relevant to the discussion in any way. Whatever you want to claim you've been saying, it would probably be a good idea make sure it wasn't contradicted half a dozen times in your most recent. This is yet another example of how you don't make sense. I would check to make sure I haven't had a stroke with resultant aphasia, but I have no problem understanding everybody else. Only your posts seem to be lacking in logical coherence and a unifying motive viewpoint.
Nope. Try again, man. I guess you'll have to read the whole thread again. And, yes, Josephus was Roman. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Josephus Josephus (AD 37 – c. 100), also known as Yosef Ben Matityahu (Joseph, son of Matthias) and, after he became a Roman citizen, as Titus Flavius Josephus. Peace.
No one has ever mistaken me for being black, except on the basketball court and in the.... well, we'll leave that for another thread .
I appreciate that you are working hard with Wikipedia. By the same token, I've seen people do it enough around here to bet you dollars to donuts that twelve hours ago you wouldn't have been able to provide a single bit of that information off the top of your head without looking it up on Wikipedia or Google.
Yes Turkey. And it has been published previously. Your use of "truth" and "justification" as synonyms is noted.
donuts sound good right about now. You know who else would love a donut....jesus. I can't believe this thread is still going strong. after all it is the teachings of jesus that we should focus on. New testament> old testament.
This is a fairly poor argument. I don't think Moses PBUH would have necessarily conformed to societal norms. That's not a fair assumption at all. I don't know the answer, but "since it was taboo" is useless in this instance. Should I list the things Moses PBUH did which were against societal norms?
I initially didn't want to ask, but I'm genuinely interested in this Turkey thing. Can you elaborate a bit? (perhaps with a new thread if you don't think it's brief enough to fit in here)
I would say Jesus was probably Middle Eastern-looking. But like others have said, he could have looked like me, he could have looked like Bob Ross, or even Ludacris. Who knows. One thing I'm pretty sure of though, is that he was not a b*stard.
As Rimbaud noted though all ancient history is a mixed bag. My understanding from my own history classes is that the Bible does contain historical data not found elsewhere that has been used to corroborate other data and vice versa. All of it of course has to be taken with not just a grain but a pound of salt but again no more than the historical records of other ancient civilizations.
Turkey is considered the birthplace of the major religions of Islam, Christianity and Judaism. While it could certainly be argued that Judaism was not born in Turkey - it dates back over 2400 years and Turkey contains one of the oldest known synagogues. Turkey contains the first Christian church. Islam and Christianity were both undeniably born in Turkey as were King Midas, St. Nicholas the city of Troy and lots of other interesting historical figures and places. In respect to religious sights and places Turkey is unrivaled in the world. Asia Minor was a busy place at that time - being the cradle of civilization.
The first place where the word "Christian" was said to be uttered was in Antioch and it did become the "cradle of Gentile Christianity." Also, some claim that Noah's Ark rests on the top of Mount Ararat in Turkey, if you want to lend any credence to that.
Except didn't almost all of the events regarding Mohammed creating Islam take place in what is now Saudia Arabia and Jerusalem?
Some claim that - especially the ones that work for Turkey's tourist marketing campaign. In respect to Antioch there are several historical origins of the three religions I've listed that have ancient roots in that city - located in what is now Turkey. Your response to this post is more interesting than the one where you stated "Wow. Turkey. You should really think about publishing this info.".
Well...I certainly didn't agree with this comment and I still wouldn't come close to considering Turkey as "the source" of the Muslim, Jewish, Christian religions. There is a lot of interesting history concerning three of the major world religions found in Turkey as we have both come to conclude. As for Santa...sure St. Nicholas was from Turkey. And, as for the tourism, I'd love to visit someday. I'm sure there are a lot of gorgeous women there as well.
