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What Can You Not Understand?

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by MadMax, Nov 6, 2003.

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  1. HootOwl

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    If you are using murder as an analogy, think about it in terms of self-defense.
     
  2. twhy77

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    Like we said, if it was going to kill the mother, then it comes down to an intention to save both, but not framed under the terms of an abortion, it becomes something completely different.
     
  3. GladiatoRowdy

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    :rolleyes:
     
  4. GladiatoRowdy

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    Once it threatens the mother's health, it is a growth that needs to be removed. I am sorry to have to be so callous, but that is what it comes down to.
     
  5. twhy77

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    Dude you've got a great counter argument.
     
  6. GladiatoRowdy

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    When you use such a silly analogy, you get a sarcastic response.
     
  7. Deckard

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    I haven't read every single page of this thread, although I looked at the majority of it. I want to mention something about a real situation...

    My wife worked with a young woman, who was a brilliant and engaging person, who discovered during her pregnancy that she had a virulent form of cancer. She was very far along, but not far enough to have a premature delivery and have a chance of the fetus surviving.

    She was told that the only chance to save her was treatment that would be harmful or fatal to the fetus. She chose not to have it. The baby was born several weeks ago and a few weeks later, after getting treatment too late to do any good, the young woman died.

    My wife was devastated and the funeral was very difficult, as anyone could imagine. Now the husband is left with the baby, but has lost his wife. He is in a state of shock and uncertain how his life, and that of his child, will play out.

    I'm wondering what choice some of you would have made.
    I would have chosen trying to save my wife, and if an abortion was necessary, then so be it. Frankly, I don't know if his wife gave him that option. I would like to think she did, but I don't know.

    I do know one thing... that was a courageous woman.
     
  8. twhy77

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    You make me want to barf.

    You would tell your wife to abort your current child just if it meant something like she couldn't have children again?
     
  9. MadMax

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    i don't disagree...i think the courts and doctors have made a mockery of the phrase "for health reasons" with the mental health b.s. ...but i agree that situations like these present much more difficult questions.
     
  10. twhy77

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    Why is it silly. Killing of another basically equals murder.
     
  11. twhy77

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    All of those fetuses were unviable.
     
  12. GladiatoRowdy

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    Personally, I believe that this woman was unbelieveably brave and worthy of praise. I wouldn't have been so strong, I would have saved my wife. However, if my wife chose to die so that our child could live, that would be her choice and I would support her 100%.
     
  13. MadMax

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    let me clarify...if we're talking about killing the baby to protect her ability to have future babies...i think that freaking sucks. i think that is not just cause for an abortion.
     
  14. GladiatoRowdy

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    I would support my wife in whatever decision she made. If it were something like not having any more children, I might be willing to risk it. If it were something where her life was in danger, I would not be nearly as brave.
     
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    ahhhh I don't want to make my next post....ahhh
     
  16. GladiatoRowdy

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    Well, I don't see abortion as murder unless it is performed so late that the fetus could live outside the womb. I understand that you see it differently, but that doesn't automatically make it true.
     
  17. underoverup

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    Well dude I disagree with you, certainly there have been cases where this has happened, but they are so rare they should not have any part of a total ban on the procedure. Without a doubt someone is going to die because of this ban causing complications with a pregnancy. After that happens the days are numbered for this politically motivated religious right issue. How can you support a ban that will cause harm to many women in this country? How will a doctor be able to sit idle while a women's health is in jeapordy-- the hippocratic oath is very clear on this issue.

     
  18. twhy77

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    We've already talked about the life being in danger thing...
     
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    No man, thats the procedure, they grab the baby by the legs, pull it half way out, and put scissors in the back of its head... do your research thats the way all partial births are done...
     
  20. GladiatoRowdy

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    Right, and as I said, if there are major physical health risks then the woman should have her choice.
     

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