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What can be done to improve the bad foul calls on Yao Ming???

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by Bboy, Jan 17, 2005.

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  1. snowmt01

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    Trade him so we are all happy he's someone else's problem. :rolleyes:
     
  2. Moe

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    I guess when you really can't address the issue, just lie like hell. What difference would it make where the screen was set. If he is moving, he is moving. I was surprised in his rookie year how many times he got away with it. Do you ever watch any other players besides Yao? I see illegal screens called for a lot less than Yao typically does.

    As for trying to blame Van Gundy for Yao trying to cover guards all the way down the lane, you just made that up. You act like you attend practice and heard that **** first hand. Laughable. Yao is so smart that when if JVG tells him to move his feet, it really means reach in and bump a player as he goes by.
     
  3. munco

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    I'd have to disagree with you on most points Sage.
    1) I believe the opponents game plans last year pointed out the importance of "attacking Yao" just as much as this year.
    2) This doesn't explain why in the last 5 games Yao's fouls/minutes played have gone up dramatically.
    3) Again, this is no different than last year. Also, he rarely seems to get called for fouls on the pick and roll plays.
    4) I don't see many significant changes at the Center spot in the West. Amare starts at Center now but guys like Lorenzen Wright and Stromile Swift played center versus Yao last year.
    5) This does hurt.

    I really believe Yao and Van Gundy need to make a stink about this. The same way Phil Jackson and Shaq used to make a big deal about the officiating against Shaq.

    Some fouls are definitely legit. See Yao go over the back.
    But a good deal are bogus calls. See Jason Williams/Manu Ginobli enter the paint completely out of control with no shot at making the basket hurl themselves at Yao who is going straight up. For Yao not to get called it seems as though he has to completely avoid the play. If that's the case, there's no point in having him out on the court since he can't even play.
     
  4. FranchiseBlade

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    IT is definitely a combination of factors. Some of those calls against Yao were bogus. Most weren't. The one that fouled Yao out could have been avoided if Yao had held his arms straight up. Wright still couldn't have dunked, and Yao wouldn't have gotten called for the foul. There are basic adjustments that can be done to eliminate a lot of Yao's fouls.

    Fouls that are called on him because another player jumps into him is just crappy.
     
  5. leroy

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    Never thought I'd see the day when people miss Kelvin Cato more than Francis or Mobley.
     
  6. zongt

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    Yao can foul the sh**t out of the a*s of the one who wants to foul Yao out. Do it really hard. Then there would be much less fouls. But I guess Yao would not do it. :(
     
  7. krosfyah

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    Yes, there was a rule change. You basically can't touch guards when on the permimeter. That's why your seeing more 'ticky-tack' fouls on the 3-pt line. (Yao gets killed with this too when he attempts to set screens.)

    The purpose of this is to make the game more exciting so players can move more freely on the court.

    The downside to this, for us, is that the guards attack the basket more....hence bringing them into Yao more. Last year Cato could take this load.

    So Yao is at a disadvantage, compared to last season, inside the paint as well outside the paint.
     
  8. scyman

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    One adjustment that was talked about by JVG, but hasn't been seen is Yao changing angles to block shots when opponents drive in. Rather than directly facing the player and going straight up to block the shot, JVG mentioned that Ewing was working with Yao on positioning himself at an angle and going after the block. This would help in all these calls where Yao goes straight up, the opponent jumps into him, and he gets called for the foul. Mutombo does a great job of creating the angle instead of going straight up to block, but Yao is still trying to block shots while directly facing the opponent. Even if the player gets to the hoop, Yao's height and reach alone will force them to change a lot of shots if he doesn't get the block.
     
  9. DaDakota

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    For now Yao should just stand straight up and not jump....until he learns to pick his time to jump.

    Hakeem got most of his blocks on weakside help defense, Yao could too.

    Also, Yao needs to have a good dose of F..K it ! By that I mean he should stop worrying so much and just play the game, he knows how to play, just play.

    It worked for Tmac...it can work for Yao.



    DD
     
  10. krosfyah

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    The rules have changed since Hakeem's days. Now we have the semi-circle where it is automatically called a blocking foul if your standing too close.

    But I agree, Yao should rely more on his instincts. He is thinking too much out there.
     
  11. sums41

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    he needs to stop reaching for those "offensive" rebounds he somehow wants to get out of the oponents hands, he got the board let him have it and go back to play D.
     
  12. Toast

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    I think I could live with the bad fouls called on Yao if it would go both ways.

    Yao gets hacked EVERY DAMNED TIME he's on offense. Doesn't matter if he touches the ball or not.

    The refs seem to let what they consider an acceptable amount of that go on. So freaking call it both ways. You gonna let Yao get fouled, you gotta give him the benefit of the doubt on the other end too.
     
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    Excellent post! I agree 100%. The bottom line is we are not going to win a Championship this year so why not let him play until he fouls out. The long term is much more important than a few more wins this year. I think you're assesment of Shaq is right on and the league will adapt to Yao as well if we are consistent. Let him foul out and sooner or later more people will notice, but sitting him on the bench with a few fouls no one notices except Houston fans.
     
  14. Roc Paint

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    No holds bar for Yao.
     
  15. Roc Paint

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    It's time to show IT, or step off.

    I'm sick and tired of hearing about what HE can do.
     
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    Yao needs to learn to stop trying to take charges. These are always called blocks. Actually I think he is not very smart for doing this over and over. When wil he learn these are ALWAYS called on him. He needs to focus on intimitating the dribble penitrator with a block. He might not get many blocks but at 7'6" he will get some shots changed and less fouls. With less fouls on the defensive end that will leave more for the offensive end trying to "Shaq" into lane for a dunk.
     
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    Fowl Drawing Leaders (YM is 12th in the league)

    Team Player Fouls Shots Fowl%

    SEA Fortson 91 253 36.0%
    NYK Sweetney 51 201 25.4%
    NYK Williams 40 166 24.1%
    MIA O'Neal 171 729 23.5%
    ORL Howard 80 341 23.5%
    CHI Chandler 59 252 23.4%
    UTA Kirilenko 41 176 23.3%
    PHO Stoudemire 197 849 23.2%
    WAS Haywood 63 280 22.5%
    SEA Evans 36 166 21.7%
    IND Foster 36 169 21.3%
    HOU Ming 123 588 20.9%
    LAC Maggette 136 654 20.8%
    PHO Hunter 30 145 20.7%
    NJN E.Williams 48 233 20.6%
    CLE Ilgauskas 109 544 20.0%
    MIL Pachulia 37 190 19.5%
    MIA Wade 140 722 19.4%
    MEM Gasol 117 603 19.4%
    NJN Mourning 35 185 18.9%

    http://www.82games.com/fouldrawing.htm
     
    #97 SamFisher, Jan 19, 2005
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  18. RocketForever

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    Fortson is the most foul drawing player in the NBA...:eek:
     

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