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What can be done to improve the bad foul calls on Yao Ming???

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by Bboy, Jan 17, 2005.

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  1. jopatmc

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    Yao is not gonna do that and he shouldn't have to. His coach should be getting the 2 technicals when the game is already won or when we are losing and playing lethargic and don't have a chance to win. Yao shouldn't have to turn into an American griping goon ballplayer to play in the NBA.
     
  2. leroy

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    You are right. However, it does seem that Yao is not getting the calls that others do. I'm trying my hardest not to look through red colored glasses, but it truly seems like it takes less contact to call a foul on Yao than it does most other players. There was a play last night where Yao stood straight up with hands straight up in the air outside of the circle. Jason Williams jumps foward and twists in the air into Yao's chest and it is a foul on Yao. Why? Bonzi Wells does the same thing a few minutes later and it is the same call on Yao. When someone jumps out of control, twisting in the air and not straight up, how is it a foul on the defensive player?

    Yao had 2 stupid fouls last night (the reach over foul and the push in the back on Gasol). Those were silly and would have been enough to keep him in the game had he not had a brain fart, twice.

    I don't know if Yao is regressing. It's hard to tell. In the past, when he has one of these games, he seems to rebound in a big way the next time out. That isn't happening this time. He's had a real bad string of games lately. There is no telling where this team would be without T-Mac right now. The one positive I got from Yao last night was him hitting a long range jumper for the first time in a while. I just wonder what the difference would be if Yao actually had an entire summer off.
     
  3. Nautic

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    Houston's power forwards are not playing much defense. Our center has to play defense for two positions (center and power forward), and sometimes even spend time chasing opposing guards to defend outside of the paint. (You can see ur PFs don't get a lot of a lot of PFs because they are not really defending.) Besides, a lof of Yao's energy is expended on defense and, hence, no plays are being called by JVG for Yao any more. Yao is doing what he is asked to do.
     
  4. gucci888

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    Not due to my complaining, but to JVG's. The problem is that Refs don't know they aren't officiating Yao fairly and NO ONE is telling them. Have JVG send in video of all the crap called or not called on Yao.

    BTW, that is not the only answer.
     
  5. AGBee

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    Already being done.
     
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    They have been doing that since last season. The feedback for the Rockets is that you are right, we made the bad call. Now life goes on and Yao keeps getting the bad call.
     
  7. DaDakota

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    Time to start sending the message out to the media and the general public.

    It sure worked for Cuban and Dirk....

    DD
     
  8. fa7999

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    The Chronicles mentioned about the Rockets sending the tapes to the office a while ago. The tone from the article seems to be that they will screw you no matter whether you bend over voluntarily or are forced to do so. Just acccept it. EOM.
     
  9. rrj_gamz

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    I'm not one to make excuses, but the Refs had it in for Yao last night...bs, ticky-tack fouls...

    Again, he's only in his 3rd year, and I expect him to get better and get the respect he deserves...
     
  10. moomoo

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    See Minny vs Denver game after the Nene/Olowokandi brawl

    Three words:

    Operation Yao Fury
     
  11. fa7999

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    Didn't they also try to have it in for Yao several nights ago against the Nets at home? 2 moving screen calls within 2 minutes in the first quarter?
     
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    Shaq had to learn the hard way too. You have to be a monster even if you don't want to be. The harder you play the more you will get away with it. They can't call everything. After a while, the soft calls become irrelevant. The refs focus on the hard calls. It's all about reputation.
     
  13. DaDakota

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    I know...that is really frustrating...and uncalled for.....

    Yao could just stand still though.
     
  14. Moe

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    People talk about how smart Yao is, but I don't see it. He has been setting those same stupid moving screens since his rookie season. He gets away with it more often than anyone else that I've noticed, so when it is called, no one should be b****ing about it. I don't understand it. It is a stupid move. If you look at the risk/reward aspect, there is very little reward. If the guard can't use a body as big as Yao's, he shouldn't be on the floor.

    Another thing Yao hasn't learned is what he can't do defensively. What he absolutley never will be able to do is stay with a guard from the top of the key all the way to be basket and block that shot. Never in a million years will he be able to do that. But he tries it all the time, usually picking up a foul. Why do it, Yao? Not smart.

    I'm sure at some time in the future, the Rockets will get a pf that can rebound and help defend the paint. In the meantime, Yao needs to learn to play within his abilities and not pick up stupid fouls, trying to do things he can't do.

    If he would play within himself defensively and stop setting moving screens, it would probably give him an average of two fewer fouls per game. That would keep him on the floor a lot longer. Come on, Yao, show your smarts.
     
  15. jopatmc

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    And why do you think he is out there setting screnes? Do you really think his screen is any different than the screens that any other player sets? Think man. And watch how the other players set them. There ain't no difference. The stupid move is having Yao set screens out so high at the 3 point line. The screen should be set in the circle right above the free throw line and the dribbler should be running the defender in there. Who designs those plays anyway? It sure ain't Yao. He's just doing what he is instructed to do. He is a good screener. It's not because he's stupid that he is getting called for that stuff. It's mickey mouse calls and bad play design. Do you really think he is so dumb that he is just coming up with the idea of setting screens by himself?

    The way he defends the paint is a result of Van Gundy constantly on his case about moving his feet. Yeah, he should trail the guard with his arm up and give the little guy space so that a foul isn't called and either block the shot or cause the shot to be very difficult. That's the way he was doing it until Van Gundy got on his case about moving faster and moving his feet, and getting over to play help defense. The defensive system that Van Gundy has designed is really based on a lot of quickness and switching and helping. It is not really designed for the team to funnel dribblers and penetration into Yao for him to block the shot like it was when we had Hakeem. The defensive scheme is for everybody to take their man and bust tail on their man and to scramble over the screens and play help. This causes Yao to be out of position and causes his lack of quickness to be exposed. He didn't design the defense. Is he stupid for that too? He can't help it if Van Gundy wants him out on the floor challenging.
     
  16. SageHare6

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    Well... Yao shows flashes of brilliance and flashes of stupidity. I think his inconsistency is what irks a lot of fans... and what also contributes to the inconsistency of the team's performance.

    Yao DOES get away with some things like moving screens and moving picks, but there's definitely a negative bias against him in the personal foul department. I think Yao desparately needs a power forward who is rebound savvy and who can "control" the number of fouls taken against him. Even the Refs are human. If they're attention is preoccupied with a rough and tumble power forward, not only will Yao be less likely to get calls called against him but also will Yao be able to play a little more aggressively as a rougher "tone" has been set.

    This is what I noticed with, say "Antonio Davis" and "Dale Davis" back in their days in Indiana. In many ways, Yao is an easy target for calls b/c he's:

    1. big
    2. slow
    3. doesn't mouth off to the official.

    To compensate, Yao's gonna need either a strong wingman OR he's going to have to start speaking up.

    :p

    theSAGE
     
  17. Mr Boo

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    What irks me the most though is that they can't the ball into Yao, especially when T-Mac sits. It's like only T-Mac is now capable of making the entry pass. The Grizz (like most other teams) were able to ride Yao all night. If our forwards even tried doing that to someone like Gasol, Gasol would just fall down or scream and our forwards would get whistled for grabbing or pulling foul. Just cuz Yao is strong enough to hold them up doesn't mean the defender should be able to be all over him. It's a double standard the officials need to address.
     
  18. Toast

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    Play him only in home games.

    The refs treat him like ass on the road.
     
  19. Sishir Chang

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    Is it me or does Yao seem to getting a lot more fouls called on him this year than last? Was there a rule change I missed ?
     
  20. SageHare6

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    Top Five Reasons Yao is Getting More Fouls Called Against Him

    1. Opponent gameplans spell out the significance of "attacking Yao"
    2. Pre-Wesley and Barry, our perimeter D was weaker than last year
    3. Yao is getting caught flat-footed on opponent pick and rolls
    4. More fleet footed opposing centers in the West
    5. No more Cato at PF

    :p

    theSAGE
     

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