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What Assets Do We Have to Offer the Kings?

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by thumbs, Sep 19, 2006.

  1. thumbs

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    With the exception of our 2007 first round pick, what assets do we have to get the Bonzi Wells deal done with the Kings? Will a 2007 second rounder next year do it? Or a first rounder to 2008? They don't want more salary, but Luther is only $1M or so. But would he fit in their roster?

    Assuming the Kings are amenable to the $4.2M TE + something in a sign and trade, can we then add the mid-level exception ($2.1M) to it for a total of $6.3M? I need a little help with the figures here. Thanks.
     
  2. Desert Scar

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    -TE for up to 4.3 Mil--which allows them not to add salary and gain trade flexibility for a year.

    -1st round pick (assume mid 20s)

    -I would guess at their contract VSpan, Head, Snyder, Nocak, JL3 are potential very modest assetts--though I am not sure when each of these players are available.

    -They could make us take a scrubbier more overpriced player like Jason Hart for some of the above (e.g., Head). They drop a little extra salary for the better and more upside player.

    I think I would give them their pick--1st rounder and TE to facillitate the deal, or Head for Hart instead of the 1st, but not do both. Bonzi is an URFA, Sac can't be choosey, but they can get something from an otherwise total loss working with us.
     
  3. wnes

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    Juwan, a bag of chips, a pair of cowbells.

    Ryan Bowen as a bonus, regardless of the outcome of offer.
     
  4. JuanValdez

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    I don't see why we'd give them anything of real value, like a first rounder or Luther Head. Second round pick is fine. They've already made clear that they don't want Bonzi, so they would be getting something for nothing. Why should they be hard-asses about it? What would that tell other players about how they can expect to be treated by Sacramento, if they'd made Bonzi to miss out on millions from some other team because some free gift that fell in their lap wasn't big enough for them?
     
  5. KALIKULI

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    Straight up!! :D
     
  6. thumbs

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    How much can we offer Bonzi? Can we add the $2.1 exception to the sign/trade to make him happy for a year? Then, if and when he leaves us next year, won't we have a nice salary spot for a solid player? Or. do we give the Kings our $4.2 TE and a second-rounder so they can send Bonzi to a third team, which then sends the Rockets a true PF-C?
     
  7. Nelly

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    Sura "potentially" retiring could be of value to the kings
     
  8. Desert Scar

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    Modest comp like a late 1st round pick, taking off an excess player, or switching for a superior/cheaper player (Head for Hart) is pretty standard for deals like this. That is what Indy-Atl negotiated for Al H.

    Besides, with Bonzi, the 2 guard spot is overcrowded.
     
  9. Jeff

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    You can't send the TE AND a player for Bonzi. It can only be the TE combined with a draft pick per league rules.

    If they wanted one of our players, we'd have to take back equal salary in return in addition to Wells and his contract.
     
  10. JuanValdez

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    No, we can't do that. Bonzi can either take the $2.1 million or the $4.2 million with Sac's help. But, if he does the latter, it is for at least 3 years. Is there a minimum length on an MLE deal?
     
  11. Joe Joe

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    Or make two trades with Sacramento.

    1st trade: TE for Bonzi.
    2nd trade: Head for part of TE.

    This is just an example as I agree with JuanValdez's thoughts. I think a second roud pick is the usual for facilitating a sign and trade when a team has no intention of retaining the player.
     
  12. JamesC

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    We can offer Battier. I'm still not too fond of the guy but I'm willing to give him a chance.
     
  13. RioGrando

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    Does Bonzi have high enough basketball IQ to pull off playing the 1 AND the 2?
     
  14. Deckard

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    It would be two separate, but simultaneous transactions, right? Sacto says we'll do the Bonzi trade for the TE and a pick, but you have to also take "X" and give us "Y," or else nevermind, and just take your chances with getting Wells. Agree with a #1 being steep for a deal like this.
     
  15. Plowman

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    VSpan shouldn't be going anywhere in a deal for Bonzi Wells....and neither should Luther Head.
    I know a lot of folks don't want to part with that #1,but check it out.Luther is going to be a consistent three point shooter,It's obvious he hit the rookie wall.And there is much more to his game.Remember Head is just going into his second year.
    Even though it's going to be a deep draft,our pick probably won't be until the late 20's(should be protected anyway)and it's a real gamble that we would end up with a player that is a definite rotation player with the upside of a longterm starter.(like Head)At the minimum he's a solid rotation player on a very good team...but Head could be much more.

    Head should be able to shoot 40% from 3 point land on a consistent basis.
    The athleticism Head has helps him defend quick guards and get into the lane.
    He's a work in progress.Give him through this year to mature.

    BUT....I do realize we are relatively short on tradeable assets,so I'm not averse to shipping him out in a heartbeat for the right deal.
     
  16. DonkeyMagic

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    well TE is an asset and so are draft picks. thats what will be worked with.

    Sac doesnt want to be in the luxury tax
     
  17. Van Gundier

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    Straight cash, homey. Up to $3 mil for a guy they aren't signing back anyway is pretty good, especially in light of the fact that the Maloofs are in some pretty intense financial negotiation over the arena money.

    Besides, it's not like any other potential Bonzi suitors are giving them anything attractive.

    Other than that, I'd imaging the Kings wouldn't mind taking Luther Head in a trade for the little used Jason Hart (though it depends on whether new coach Musselman thinks he can use either player). Hart is OK as an experienced backup PG for this team.
     
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    Bonzi doesn't have the ball handling skills, passing ability, or the get- others-involved mentality to play point.
     
  19. Danbury

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    I'm assuming this is a joke.
     

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