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What are the different expectations for Trevor Ariza?

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by LBJ-Tmac, Jan 13, 2010.

  1. Mr. Space City

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    wrong again.

     
  2. choujie

    choujie Member

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    He isn't getting max deal no more, that's a given. But he cares about his money, otherwise why did he push for playing time and minutes in a hurry? He said himself it's his contract yearso he need to play more. So don't expect to sign him for very little money, it isn't happening.

    Over the years, Tmac has made so many claims which are false, it's not even funny.
     
  3. Mr. Space City

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    adelman has been wrong before.

    may a present the evidence.

     
  4. Mr. Space City

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    becaue he feels that he is ready to play and wants to get back on the court?
     
  5. choujie

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    He felt that way before the start of last season too. He felt that way in the middle of last season too. Only to find out he needs to get into locker room at half time a few games later.
     
  6. mjharleem22

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    in reality ppl expected t-mac to be the guy he was 3 years ago given 7 mins a game for over 6 games.(did you really think he was going to blow your mind) sure thats what we all wanted to see, but he wasnt ready to do that yet because he hadnt stepped into an nba game since feb of 2009. Thats just unfair reasoning. It may also be unfair to say he could be the guy he was 3 years ago since he hasnt shown much, but the bottom line is t-mac has proven himself far more than what Ariza has brought to the table. I dont think Rick was fair in predicting the future of what Mcgrady MIGHT do. Sure he probably would ask for more mins but its not like he wanted to be a starter right away, and if the coach didnt agree why couldnt he come str8 forward with t-mac and tell him what he wants to see in order for him to increase t-mac's minutes. Instead he shuts him down completely and he cant even play because adelman feels mcgrady isnt happy about his situation.
     
  7. choujie

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    RA has been right more often than not to get the status he is having now.

    Are you saying you know Tmac better than RA? Or do you have proof that Tmac playe like Tmac the old on the court?

    You are just making assumptions without any base right now.
     
  8. mjharleem22

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    he felt he was ready to play THROUGH it and that the knee was stronger, not that he was 100 percent healthy. He even said during media day of last season that these injuries would bother him. ppl seem to forget mcgrady was playing through these injuries since the 2007-2008 season. They just got worse.
     
  9. Mr. Space City

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    did adelman know hardaway better? no, he was wrong.

    nobody can know how t-mac is as a player with worthy minutes but the solution would be to test it out.

    YOU dont know how good t-mac is playing at a 20+ mpg level so YOU are making assumptions as well without any base right now.
     
  10. choujie

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    Nobody konws what Tmac would turn out, but for the minutes he played he hasn't earned the right to play more. If he played well enough, he can ask for more minutes. But that didn't happen, so you can't blame it on RA. Blame Tmac for not ready or not patient enough.

    What Tmac would do in the future is irrelevant because it seems the organization had made up their mind to get rid of him no matter what. So Ra's decision makes a lot more sense here.
     
  11. mjharleem22

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    i dont blame rick adelman for not giving t-mac more minutes just as i am not going to blame t-mac for asking.

    i am going to blame adelman for sitting mcgrady(who is healthy) because he was afraid of what mcgrady might do in the future.
     
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    if the organization made up there mind to get rid of t-mac then why did they play him at all?
     
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    Again, RA has been right more often than not. He tested Tmac for 49 minutes and he doesn't feel he should increase his minutes at that moment, which is right. Then Tmac was unhappy about it, whining to meida. and they AGREED later that he won't play anymore. If there is anyone to blame, it's Tmac.

    It's not an assumption, they way Tmac played on the court couldn't convice the coach that he should get more minutes, that was a fact.


    I don't know how well Taylor would perfomr at 20+ mpg leve either, should he play 20+ minutes just to test it out? No.

    You are making an assumption that he would play a lot better for more minutes, which is wihtout any base.
     
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    Sitting Tmac was an agreement between them. Tmac told media he was happy about the minutes, and RA wasn't ready to increase his minutes, then they meet and made the decision.

    I don't see RA did anything wrong here.
     
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    Maybe because Ariza happened to get one game suspension? Maybe they want to showcase him a little to see his trade value can somehow increase?
     
  16. mjharleem22

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    no t-mac asked for more minutes adelman didnt agree and so he decided to sit him for two games so they could decide what to do, thats when t-mac asked for a trade, and he never whined about it.
     
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    i thought you didnt like assumptions yet you make one right here even though they said they werent showcasing mcgrady.
     
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    No, Tmac whined to the media first. then RA decided they'd talk once they got back from a road trip. Sine he is not ready to give Tmac more minutes and Tmac was unhappy, what's the point to play him more before they straight things out?

    Nothing wrong on RA's side.
     
  19. Mr. Space City

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    how is it t-mac fault.

    he was under the impression that he would get 7-8 minutes per game for 6 games and see a slight increase as the season went on.

    he played those 7-8 minutes and came out to the media and said all the right things about how he loved houston and would take a paycut to stay in houston.

    but adelman wasn't a man of his word and after the 6 games and tracy was told he would get a minutes bump he complained which is what ANY all-tar player would do if the coach lied about their transition back into the nba.
     
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    i know right? contradiction.
     

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